Naruto Chapter 687 Discussion

tsudecimo said:
Right..you made that Kakashi question, I answered you didn't reply back. I said that because I read your posts on NB.



Tears for Nagato for what? Nagato decided he is going to have faith in Naruto and used the Rinne jutsu. What are the basis for Naruto crying here? was Nagato in Naruto side fighting something and he died unexpectedly? Nagato's death was peaceful and it didn't provoke anger from Naruto.



Sigh, the whole thing with Obito happened in a couple of minutes, and you talk like it obstructed their chance in the fight. I'm sorry that Naruto is portrayed as a human being that express his emotions. It's like people are ignoring the emotional context of that scene (Obito sacrificing himself, his final words to Naruto, BZ insults, Naruto's reaction to both things)



Him forgiving Obito is your problem, because it was literally never stated that he forgave him. The last thing he told Obito regarding these things was he can't be forgiven like this, and he needs to take his punishment. Again for the umpth time, Naruto was describing current Obito, and the person Kid Obito could have become, the word Hokage was there for a reason, and later we see Obito as a Kid for a reason, because he became his old self again, and can face Rin that way. Naruto saw his past, and he thinks Kid Obito and what he could have become are awesome. And I'm sure you read more detailed answered than this in NB...



God I hate this fanbase with all my heart.



What is difference between what Obito and Nagato did? They both gave their own lives to save others and praised Naruto. And Naguto's death was not a peaceful way to go out, nor was him getting sealed forever in a jar. I also doubt he expected him to die after using that Jutsu. While Naruto knew that Obito was going to die soon.



Naruto has human emotions? There was nothing human about it, just Kishi trying to force the reader to sympathize with Obito. He stands there, cries, and WASTES CHAKRA(as Sasuke pointed out)  on a dead man that ruined his life. There was a more important task at hand. The scene made no sense and is just makes Naruto look stupid. If it was Kakashi it would be understandable. But no human being would do that for such person when the world is at stake.



There are no two Obito. BZ was saying that Obito is trash because of his mistakes. Naruto is defending saying that since he wanted to be hokage at some point, he is nothing but awesome to him. Basically saying that the mistakes Obito made in life that BZ is talking about is no big deal to him. So yeah, he forgave Obito even though he said he wouldn't earlier. Imagine if Ino, Hinata, and Shikamaru talked trash about Obito and Naruto said that...

[quote=Behemoth11]"Also, it's obvious that Naruto has not completely forgiven Obito, he's merely giving him the occasion to atone for his sins, that and he could relate to him at some point, whether he has killed his family and ruined his life is irrelevant."



WTF? Of course it's relevant. You can't leave Obitos sins aside when talking about Narutos descision.

At least try to be even a little bit objective in this case. Madara lived far longer than Obito, had seen more war than any other character and lost also his family(four brothers have been killed). /quote]



No, it is irrelevant. Simply because Naruto's role is to stop the cycle of hatred, if you tell him to never forgive Obito or never give him the ability to atone, then what's the point? Naruto will become another Obito and it will be no different, he'll talk to Obito the same way Obito talked to Kakashi and blamed Minato.



Madara saw his family die, big whoop, Sasuke saw the Uchiha clan perish, Itachi had to kill them.

Both Obito and Madara lived during the war, they endured too much pain, except that Madara strayed from the path without giving it a single thought, Obito was skeptical as to what Madara told him, and he was going to go back to Rin and Kakashi before he was used.

He was forced to TURN bad.  Madara wasn't, he was given a choice, whether it is understandable or not does not make a difference, in the end, he became a villain right after he was offered a home and a friendship with Hashirama, he had everything and achieved his and Hashirama's dream.

Obito? No, he was lonely, Madara wasn't, Obito was also a kid with less maturity and development, he was bound to fall into darkness, and even more so since Madara did clearly "use" him, to begin with, and FORCED that path onto him, it's not the lolicon making his choice there, it's the brain dead thug developing a dumb plan such as the World of Dreams.



He was just being a stupid brat with no common sense, this is why Black Zetsu compared him to Obito when he stabbed him. I already knew he was no different and Black Zetsu just confirmed my thoughts, at least Obito was used, Madara was acting on his own agreement which makes it worse for him.

But then again, his character is likable, why? Because he's a legendary ninja, his name is synonym of power, but if you read thoroughly, you wouldn't give him credits for becoming an antagonist as "bad" as Obito is moronic, even though I don't consider any of them bad, I liked them and they did plenty to be considered as entertaining villains.





Naruto forgave Nagato too. He even said, to overcome his own hatred, he(Naruto) has to forgive and believe in Jiraiyas words.

It's the same with Obito.



Forgiving someone to follow your objective or your master's ideal does not equal to true forgiveness, let alone mutual understanding. This is merely him forcing himself to forgive someone, also, even if he did, in the end, he took time to forgive him.

Plus unlike Obito, Nagato only killed his master, caused minor casualties and revived a good number of people.

Obito was in the shadows, killed countless people even before he was known as Tobi, he started a war and decided to follow Madara's ideal while holding his own path. I do not think Naruto truly forgave him, he merely related to him because of the "Hokage" dream and the lonesome feeling.

Only Nagato's forgiveness was confirmed, not in the databook, but in the manga, the databook is merely for informational purposes on Naruto characters and their battle statistics, it is useless otherwise.



Either way, one last thing, the "lolicon" part was not needed, he was at the same age as her when he fell in love with her, she looks young because she died young, therefor she can't possibly be a loli and let alone making Obito a "lolicon", this joke was used wrongly, executed badly, and overall getting old.

It's like Sakura and Naruto having memories of a PTS Sasuke before they met him in  Part 2, this is no different, Rin would have grown up and looked old enough if she was 30 and still alive.

That was a necessary contribution to the discussion. Thanks mate for fixing that. What a hero.

Tyrel said:
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Okay. Keep your reaction images, baits, etc out. I'll now be watching this thread.



What was wrong with that image though? He simply made a comparison to voice his complaint.





carolnuts said:
what's ... what's going on?



Why is everyone hating at Obito?





Where do I begin?



1- A villain that started an entire war for a crush

2- made a terrible transition from good to bad

3- and another from bad to good

4- talk no jutsu

5- "coolest guy" just now.

Stark700 said:


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Ah, so Obito also wanted to become Hokage. Well I'm not surprised.



Wasn't that already stated before?



Anyways, not a bad chap imo. He is finally reunited with Rin.

Naruto: Hinata I must say you that Obito is awesome guy.



Hinata: Naruto...



Naruto: Yes?



Hinata: He killed my cousin an hour ago.



Naruto: .............................................................................................

Behemoth11 said:
Yeah, because Mangastream translations are so good...... They're far better than the shitty translations that first come out which, judging by these replies, are what people have been reading.

Shirubaasouru said:
Minagatachi said:
ScazoN said:
OMG GUYS LETS LOOK AT THIS, WHO DO YOU THINK IS THIS MYSTERIOUS MAN?


OMG FINAL VILLAIN!?



Photoshopped. You should zoom-in on the original page.Heres the original page.


It's still there mate, have a zoom-in yourself.