- #58
Wow and I usually don't even log on here...
The_Bif said:
hibiki6 said:
MajinAkuma said:
Xx-Xecution-xX said:
I liked this chapter
The stuff that I don't get is that why is Aizen still the strongest one there despite being locked up in jail doing nothing.Well these guys were training for the past 17 months and Aizen was still stronger than then
Aizen has still the Hogyoku inside him. That's why he has become stronger.
Pretty much this. remember right before aizen got sealed he said his sword disappeared because he was becoming stronger?
And he was able to drag out the time when ywach was speaking to him. so he must of fused with his sword completely.
Essentially the hogyoku is still in him and is constantly powering him up to try to make him strong enough to get out of the chair. Since thats what it does. it makes you stronger to overcome a challenge. Longer he is in the chair,the stronger he becomes.
This is just another of Bleach/Kubo's inconsistencies, at the end of the fight against Ichigo the hogyouku was sealed by a special kidou designed by Urahara especially for sealing the hogyouku within Aizen. The changes it had already made were still there, but it would not get any stronger or make any new changes.
Except no it's not. The inconsistency here stems from you misunderstanding what was written. Urahara didn't make the kidou to seal the Hougyokou within Aizen. He made the kido to seal Aizen himself, the only way to render the Hougyoukou inactive. Urahara himself said in that chapter, 421, that he knew Aizen would be impossible to kill the moment he fused with the Hougyoukou. Consequently he created the kido specifically for Aizen. The kidou activated on Aizen, the moment the Hougyoukou stopped lending Aizen his power.
Aizen was sealed. The hougyoukou was never sealed but merely went inactive because its master no longer had the power necessary to feed on. Now the seal seems to have partially worn off and Aizen still has that monster reiatsu, was even able to influence Bach's perception of time over 100 chapters ago. It's possible he's slowly started to regain his power in the Muken which would mean the Hougyoukou is activating again or at least feeding off whatever reiatsu has right now, while it waits for Aizen to be totally freed.
You also talked about changes as though the Hougyoukou had a limit to how much it can grant its master. The hougyoukou can make as many changes as it sees fit for its master, we saw the different phases through which it made Aizen transformation go. The hougyoukou stopped working on Aizen before because Aizen had reached his limit/was weakened considerably fighting FGT Ichigo.
At first Aizen wanted to become a being transcending shinigami and hollow combined ---> coccoon then butterfly Aizen.
Then he saw Post-dangai Ichigo and aspired to surpass him ----> his zanpkuto desintegrated to mimic the way Ichigo fused with Zangetsu. He transformed again when he still couldn't defeat Ichigo.
His limit came when Ichigo used his mugetsu on him.
Now he's back to ground zero with the Hougyoukou. Presently there's no telling what changes the Hougyoukou could make to Aizen given the tremendous power that Aizen has despite being partially sealed. It will all depend on who becomes Aizen inspiration next if he's finally completely free.
Alright, yeah, I got the seal backwards. I will always admit when I'm wrong, but before admitting that I was wrong I did my research on the topic. It was Aizen's body that was sealed by the specially designed Kidou, it worked because the Hogyouku no longer saw Aizen as it's master and destroyed his Zanpakutou. Aizen only mistakenly believed he'd fused with his sword, but had actually been cut off from the power of the Hogyouku that no longer saw him as it's master. There was, then, some debate on whether the Hogyouku's rejection is what transformed Aizen back to his original state, or whether he transformed back into his original state because he secretly wished to lose the power and become an ordinary Shinigami. Though, at this point, it would seem that it was the former and not the latter because Aizen is still reveling in all of this Gary Stu Dues Ex Machina glory.
FlyLoz said:
The_Bif said:
From chapter 1 til around chapter 182 this manga was the absolute best, my favorite manga above all others. Then it dropped just a bit, but was still pretty good, until around 315. After that it has been all downhill, getting progressively worse in a snowball effect.
This chapter is just another example of how Kubo wastes each chapter with dumb shit, unnecessary crap that the story would do better without. This series deserves such a great ending, and though I will endure this crap to see how it turns out; I have lost hope that it will get the ending it deserves.
Yup, and everyone has an opinion, but it seems that you're in the minority here. It seems everyone has loved this chapter including me. And since when was it stated the Hogyoku could not get stronger while Aizens been sealed? Fact is, it hasn't.
Great Chapter and the series is getting better by the week.
I've always been in the minority when it comes to Aizen's Gary Stu Dues Ex Machina greatness, but to say that "everybody" shares your opinion suggests that you've not read everybody's comments. And soloing out my opinion because you don't agree with it, just to tell me that I'm a minority and "everybody" is on your side? What did you join today just to do that? Are you like twelve?
My opinions are just that, opinions, and I'm open to discuss them if you provide reasonable and rational discourse, but trying to act superior while being an ass doesn't quite qualify. Grow up, learn to how converse properly, and then maybe we can talk about our differences in opinions. Until then, au revoir.
