Bleach Chapter 529 Discussion

kizu-kun said:
j0x said:
kizu-kun said:
Juha Bach can only absorb bankais with the help of those medallions. Its not a basic quincy power, just a device he made. And it makes much more sense for Isshin to be the Biological father than Juha. If Juhabach was his real father then that would mean he's 100% quincy and his birth really wouldn't be that special like everyone is hinting at.



as far as i can remember those medallion are ineffective on stealing the Bankai of Captain Yamamoto thats why Juha Bach said i he will steal Yamaji's Bankai with his own power and remember the explanation of Juha Bach power? it was chapter 510 if im correct, it was said there that Juha Bach can copy powers/abhilities of others

that quincy medallion is just use to "steal" and not just "copy" powers



and yes its very obvious that Ichgo is a pure quincy that has thesame abilities or better abilities than Juha Bach



just wait for more solid evidences because in the past people are in denial that Tobi is not a certain obvious man too Juhabach did use the medallion. It was explained that you can't use the  medallion to steal from someone more powerful than yourself. Juhabach was the only one powerful enough to take yamamoto's bankai. http://www.mangahere.com/manga/bleach/v53/c510/11.html

And the ones that could copy abilities/apperances were those sternritter twins, not juha bach. Sounds like you read a bad translation.



Anyway there's plenty of concrete evidence showing that Isshin is his real father and the ONLY evidence pointing to Juhabach being his father is that vague quote, "my son born in darkness". That quote is probably hinting at the fact that Juhabach is his MOTHER's relative/ the "father" of all modern quincies since he's like 2000 years old.



Actually you can use it to steal for someone more powerful. Banch just said to that copy Quincy not to do it with commander because the power difference was so big that he might had a little trouble.  But is not some iron rule that the guy you steal bankai from has to be less or exactly equal in power.



@j0x: I like how you ignore that Ichigo is a freaking spiting image of Kalen from the SHIPA family that Isshin is. Seriously dude you just give the impression that you don't understand what you read or that you just have a really hard time saying "Yeah i made a mistake there".



Archnemesis said:
Wow this chapter has sooooooo many plot holes!



Ok so isshin was a shinigami and masaki was a quincy. If its a blood related thing, he was born a Quincygami .



Wasn't he born as a QuincyFullbringami?

Arashi89 said:
Okay, so there's basically no way that Hitsugaya missed Isshin twice over the course of the story, so what's the point of Isshin being a capitain in charge not long ago the start of the main plot? Him being a shinigami representative like Ichigo would make much more sense, but no, Kubo just had to make this retcon nonsensical on top of blatant.



Also, this is the second time Tousen has been shown using a computer and I still don't know how he can. Kubo just doesn't care. It does ties some lose ends together. In the upcoming chapters some event will take place that will 1. leave Isshin powerless for the next 20 years and 2. Cause the Shiba clan to lose their status as a noble family and force him to go into hiding with the help of Urahara.

j0x said:
BlackSCREEN said:
j0x said:
bonifide said:
I wonder if Isshin is really his dad.



but chapter 514 alredy revealed that Juha Bach is the real father of Ichigo

Juha Bach is not Ichigo's father....that "son" it was like when your grandpa tell you.....,son.(in US it's normal)





dude even MangaStream translated in the end of chapter 514 the words "THE SHOCKING TRUTH!!!" confirmation on the below spoiler








I understand the "Son born in darkness" as Ichigo being born human not knowing his Quincy heritage or the darkness is Ichigo being Shinigami. Born in the darkness. Ichigo first awakened his Quincy powers in Opies cage in dark Garganta wearing black Shinigami robe.



Masaki might be related to Juha. Not as his daughter but some other person from Juha lineage. Or She might be just a random human with superior Quincy power. One born once every 1000 years.



Revelation about Ichigo sword. Could it be that all this time Ichigo was running with splinter of Rukia's asauchi or complete sword? Buyakuya first broke half of it then when training with Urahara only a hilt was left. That is where Ichigo forced the transformation into Zangetsu.



Do you remember Ichigo first fight with Menos Grande? Ichigo went into frenzy. The blade he got from Rukia went crazy - trying to transform to fit Ichigo more. Ichigo poured allot of his reiatsu and feeling into it. Ishida had to channel that energy out or something bad would have happened. Was Ichigo near forming of his own Shinigami power back there or Rukia's sword was rejecting Ichigo reiatsu?



Isshin being Shiba is great. Isshin was head of Shiba's branch family. Something like in Naruto we have Huyuuga branches. I wonder where is Kaien right now. Is he alive? Is Rukia already a shinigami? Is She already keeping sealed Hougyoku in her spirit body?



Seems like after the encounter with Masaki Isshin got in trouble with Soul Society. Maybe he was branded traitor for contacting with Quincy by central 46. Then Kaien house lost its status and was exiled from Seretei. Few more weeks and we will know at least a bit more :)

Looks like Isshin is the head of the Shiba clan!

So.. Ichigo's dad Isshin is a shinigami and was the 10th Division Captain.. and he is a Shiba.. and Ichigo's mom was a Quincy... Ok



Why do I get the feeling that Aizen is somewhat responsible for Ichigo's mother's death? (I forgot her name.. Misaki was it?)

Awww, 3rd seat Hitsugaya-chan is so cute! :D And Isshin ist just one of the coolest Characters in Bleach, hands dow. So show me more about him, I've got no complains, even though the entire flashback is going to be too lang and streched out anyway, but I think we're probably all used to that by now.

It'll be interesting to see how he gets his sword back, especially being a Shinigami already, whenever he got it in the past was always when becoming a Shinigami. Well, I guess this time he'll be turning into a Quincygami.

it all happened according plan by aizen! ahahahah aizen is such a genius! LOL