Bleach Chapter 474 Discussion

great chapter.

kimchuy said:
Fai said:


Thats not all.

rukia was sent to human world before by ukitake

she had her memory erased about it



What the heck!!! What chapter was this??? I totally missed this part.



Its chapter 0



it was released after SS arc ended and covers character lives BEFORE chapter 1 - aka how rukia gets to human world, how ichigo meets that ghost, etc.



SIDE-A deals with human world side.

SIDE-B deals with supernatural side characters.



Side chapters in bleach tend to have some very interesting stuff sometimes(for example Mizuiro-centric side chapter which has yet to be explained)

Junigenmukyoku said:
Ginjo sounds like he's talking some serious shit when it's just a some GPS to observe the substitute shinigami. I mean, duh, why wouldn't  you put a GPS on a substitute shinigami. The only shocker was that it was Ukitake who was behind it. And wtf is up with Ishida running like a wuss near the end. lol I'm starting to hate Ishida now, he's so weak, he does jack shit and scream "Kurosaki." It looks like he's the new replacement for Inoue.



You apparantly don't get it.



For one Ginjou is not finished talking. He got interrupted by Ichigo's FFFFFFFFUUUUU-rage.



For second even what he said is already quite  a big deal.



ichigo says a bad word about SS - he is dead. Ichigo finds out something wrong with SS(like what Urahara and Aizen found out and possibly Ginjou found out also) - he is dead.  Ichigo disagrees with SS again when its not part of their plan - he is dead. .



The fact that the badge also can control his reiatsu also might suggest that SS is capable of plain outright disabling him or even killing him by just messing something in the badge.



Actually it also might be why Ichigo was significantly weaker after SS arc tilllatter parts of HM and suddenly captains were a lot stronger than him.Which would mean that badge also limits his power growth to "manageable" level.



SS needs him to eradicate some new quincy race? he would have to do it or die, for example



What Ukitake did was basically handing Ichigo a controlled explosive device to him, which tied itself to ichigo. Ichigo is walking with a frigin C4 on his back and every shinigami friend he has knew it and said nothing.





AND thats even WITHOUT the part ginjou did not get to yet.  since there is obviously more. Once Ichigo is stopped from raging(aka possibly Ginjou wipes the floor with him), we will learn the rest of it.

Soul Society betrayal? No! Really? Sure didn't see that coming. /sarcasm

Yeah... Ukitake...

I have to agree with the guy above me, I really don’t see any problems or nothing mind blowing in this chapter. Ichigo was controlled by the Soul Society? Well why not! I mean they lent him extra human powers, I wouldn’t leave such a powerful person unattended, as much as trustworthy he might be.

Maddo_scientisto said:
Monad said:
Shyster said:
Wait is Ukitake even doing anything evil?



No, the guy did nothing wrong really, just a lot of bullshiting from Kubo and Fai's crazy scenarios.



P.S = Fai you are full of it. Both the pics from the manga you posted have nothing with your comments about them. Ukitake has no death glare there and the one with Aizen has no foreshadowing of the thing you say ether. It's a pretty straightforward dialog. Ukitake simply comments that Aizen felt from grace in his quest for new highs of power. Nothing strange about it. You just took ordinary pages and made theories around them. If you are so desperate to make Kubo's stories seem more deep and complex from what they are then give him a call, maybe he needs a storyteller seeing as he ain't doing very good by himself.



I also think that some of Fai's point are wrong but you can't just brush every point he made aside on the basis that some of them were wrong.







I ain't brushing everything aside at all i only commented on the pictures he posted that where nothing really. They are not hints at all. The author can't use those pages and claim of giving hints.

Besides i would need to write a 100 pages to brush everything aside. The guy made SO much theories that is impossible to brush everything aside. I'm sure after so many something will be at least half-right. The ridiculous is how he takes ordinary things and makes a whole supposition of how they are something more deep just to make the manga look like something it isn't. For example now with this images, if Kubo actually makes Ukitake in the future to be some evil guy( i doubt it), Fai will tell us how well thought it was from Kubo by giving such images as hints of Kubo's unnoticed by our common minds master plans, when in reality Kubo made shit of actually having hidden messages and he may not even have been thinking that far ahead when he was making those.

Is like his on a mission to translate Bleach as a secret bible with ten meanings behind every sentence and make it look deeper when Kubo himself actually has no idea you can even find so much inspiration and staff to say from it.

One thing i will give him though. He has a lot of inspiration. Maybe he should actually wright his own story about something. He might do very well.

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                        Have to admit, never saw Ukitake as the culprit.



But I do believe Ginjou is rallying Ichigo to this extent for other reasons, what does he benefit if he makes Ichigo believe he is just merely a puppet for SS? An ally? Why made Ginjou hate SS so much?



Oh yes, Urahara showing up at the most crucial moment.



GREAT chapter.