Bleach Chapter 474 Discussion

Surely, what Ginjou revealed sounds like some kind of SS betrayal, but I don't see it as that big of a deal. On the contrary, the fact that the badge sealed Ichigo's reiatsu while in human form may have been a positive thing for Ichigo... maybe he wouldn't be able to live normally otherwise. Who knows. I kinda doubt Ukitake will become another Aizen now...



I just want to know what happened to Riruka~!

Major turn of events, this is much better than the past few months without Ichigo having his powers.  But if the goal of the badge is to to keep track of the substitutes why didn't they get rid of Ginjou earlier?



But anyway im looking forward to Bankai once again :)

Alright chapter overall, better than most in the past few weeks, can't wait to see his bankai form :)

Peralisc said:


You mean you want Ichigo to simply kick everyone's ass?

This is the most logical route and I bet  we will go this route before Soul king arc. I am smelling some TTGL style of stuff there with Ichigo first having to "weed out" ss so to say before everyone and SS included can band against Sking/RoyalGuads/ZerothSquad.





Peralisc said:
The Fullbringers all have an item to rely on where they keep their power ... but funny enough Ichigo keeps his power in the badge which is used to monitor and restrain him so he rather seems under full control of the shinigami society.



that migh tbe true with FB ichigo , but not now. Ichigo has internal power source now.  All he needs is to sever a tie with the badge somehow, like Ginjou did iI bet (he still keeps the badge yet no one can locate him?)



Peralisc said:


See Ginjou has more of a free will than Ichigo has. Once he learned about a certain something (truth that hasnt been told yet) he wasn't restrained by a badge or something like Ichigo can be restrained ...

Frankly I see ichigo more as AizenJr.

- He is a genius in combat.

- He mastered a lot of hard-to-master shit very fast and can be unrivalled in power.

- Now he is possibly learning the very same truth that Made Aizen go all "fuck up SS, lets do it yay".

- There's a very interesting symbolism parallels between both Ichigo and Aizen - the whole sun cross and "divinity" aspect to their powers, their "forms", etc.



In my Eyes, Aizen is the typical "fallen/corrupted hero". Someone who had a very good intentions, but lost the correct means along the way.  As I said at the end of Aizen's sealing, Aizen, IMO, will serve as a "{mirror" for ichigo, to show the way he should not go and as I said then i predict that Ichigo will be forced to make decisions about SS that parallel what happened in Aizen's past.



Peralisc said:


So the revelation hasn't been revealed yet. Ginjou dosn't lie, but he hasn't told the entire truth yet.

Obviously. Ichigo interrupted Ginjou with his bankai stuff. Betting Ginjou will waste him(them) next chapter and continue to talk.





Peralisc said:


What goes on in Ichigo's head? Why yell shut up and then go bankai? He told Ishida to shut up didn't he? Which looks as if he agrees with Ginjou. Then he goes bankai, which looks as if he is against Ginjou ... so what the hell???



As Ishida feared, Ichigo is a bit unstable.



- First of all ginjou pretty much convinced that urahara/isshin betrayed him, then had his own friends and family be manipulated to fight him.

- THEN GINJOU betrayed him.(which pretty much made him break down completely)

- And now apparently is reveal that everyone in SS he know WERE betraying him and manipulating him for some purpose.



Current Ichigo's state is basically:







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Also finally this page makes more sense than before:







Also, ukitake is the one who sent rukia to human world in the first place...



remember aizen isshin dialogue after aizen says about rukia's placement in real world being purposeful and Isshin interrupts with saying he said too much? and aizen notes the convenient appearance of isshin?



Also this makes me have doubts on how Kaien's death happened, to be exact was Ukitake TRULY "too sick' to fight the hollow there or if he wanted Kaien, possibly part of the kurosaki bloodline(old speculation considering the whole noble houses stuff of shiba) to be gone?

And Ukitake somehow had tools form noble families to destroy sokyoku?

Kitsu-nee said:
Mindfuck O_o

I SO thought, it's going to be Urahara or captain commander at least.

Ukitake mastermind, I want to see his badass side o.o

I hope for as good chapter next week, as this one :D



Actually Urahara seems to be in on it, as well as entirety of SS. its just that Ukitake apparently thought up that system.



nijlpaard87 said:
Fai said:
- His anouncement that he will be taking Captain-Commander's place for now(during arrancar arc) and his "death glare" when hitsugaya asks why him.



When did this happen??





DarthObsidian said:
Fai said:


- Ukitake having sokyoku-destroying seals from unknown noble family - aka something Captains WOULD NOT have.





Unknown? Didn't it come from Yoruichi's family? It had the Shihoin family seal on it.  Yoruichi probably gave it to him.



don't remember exactly which family seal that had, but there was no indication from where he got it.  The whole scene was bassically him walking out of a building with huge ass thing and saying they will destroy sokyoku.

Great chapter. Though... Ukitake? Seriously? I hope this isn't just something Kubo thought of on the spot to surprise us

Looks like Ginjo got into his head.

Ukitake?! Really? SO RANDOM. I hate when these things happen. Random conclusions annoy me so much.

A story is supposed to have some foreshadowing, at least when it's not Bobobobo!



Hate this.

So we find this so late in the story even when we already know that Soul Society fully and utterly trusts Ichigo so much that they allowed him to save them so many times. And so it doesn't even make a big deal even if it was true

Whatever. I hope this gets more reasonable later on and what Ginjo just said was crap. Ichigo better not beLIEve (liked that word play) what he said.