Bleach Chapter 474 Discussion

chromerokudo61 said:
No...Ukitake was one of my favourites! I can't believe the SS would do that to Ichigo! If other people like Rukia and Renji were in on this (which I hope they're not), then I'll never forgive them. EVER.



Can't wait to see Ichigo's bankai! I hope he pwns Ginjo and screws the SS over.

You mean you want Ichigo to simply kick everyone's ass?



I really love to see that happen! LOL! But i doubt it will. :(



kisami said:
it didn't really matter who the culprit is. this manga is really not that much fun to read. the plot is not that engaging.

So do yourself a favor and quit reading. Nobody forces you to read something thats not engaging for you.



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Let's compare Ichigo with Ginjou.





Both met friends while they were substitutes. Tsukishima seems to be the closest friend ever to Ginjou, something like Ishida i'd say.



It's like there's a breach in the container of power and then people start soaking into it and gain their own share of abilities. o.o



The Fullbringers all have an item to rely on where they keep their power ... but funny enough Ichigo keeps his power in the badge which is used to monitor and restrain him so he rather seems under full control of the shinigami society.



See Ginjou has more of a free will than Ichigo has. Once he learned about a certain something (truth that hasnt been told yet) he wasn't restrained by a badge or something like Ichigo can be restrained ...

So the revelation hasn't been revealed yet. Ginjou dosn't lie, but he hasn't told the entire truth yet.





What goes on in Ichigo's head? Why yell shut up and then go bankai? He told Ishida to shut up didn't he? Which looks as if he agrees with Ginjou. Then he goes bankai, which looks as if he is against Ginjou ... so what the hell???



The only explanation i can come up with right after having read the chapter is that Ichigo believes Ginjou to some extent and wants to either practice a bit his power to be able to stand a chance against the newly declared enemy or to make Ginjou prove to him his claims ... or maybe he was just testing his powers without the badge?



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Well then since:

- Ginjou and Tsuki are close friends

- Byakuya knows the truth and calls Tsuki, Ichigo's enemy

- Ginjou presents himself as an ally to Ichigo



Shouldn't one conclude that Ginjou is a liar? But then again, i believe Ginjou has a good reason to fight the SS ... so what the hell???

BANNNNNNN~~~~~~~..........KAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII~~~~~~~~~~~~~next weekxD Cant w8 to see this!

kimchuy said:
hungry_bunny said:
WW went after Ukitake, Urahara, the Captain-Commander and the Vizards.

Question: What the heck are "Vizards"??? *puzzled*

--- I thought it was Visored (Kanji - ヴァイザード, Romanji - vaizādo)."The Vizard" is the english translation of the "Visored" (according to some sites and fansubbers), I hope it wasn't to difficult to decode what I was trying to say.Peralisc said:
I think there was more to what he wanted to tell or should have told even if he continued revealing the "true story".

See Ishida having those deep thoughts about the whole situation 10 chapters ago (Chapter 464). Saying what he said this last chapter "the worst would be if neither was the truth".

Then he says "i shouldnt tell ichigo that ------". But then this last chapter he seems to want to talk, but Ichigo tells him off as if he is sensing what bad news he is about to reveal!

*pic*I'm still hung up on that, I didn't mention that page because I still can't figure out what Ishida has concluded... the only thing I can figure out is that there are more revelations coming.

icegenie said:
1. who said this was the 'big revelation'? Definitely not Kubo. Please do not assume things by yourselves and then get disappointed by the lack of expectations and then blame someone else.



2. The badge is not a fucking GPS for god's sake. There is a difference between a monitoring device and a GPS. Go google it for yourselves.



3. Again, alll the hate based on ONE chapter. Werent you taught not to jump into conclusions when you were young?



1. Kubo did this chapter. Kubo planned this whole plot. Kubo disappointed all of us due to this shitty weak reveal that doesn't change anything in the big picture. We only judge what it's presented in front of us.



2. It's a GPS. The only difference is that it uses reiatsu instead of radio waves. It's only used to register Ichigo's power level and his position, so stop overreacting. SS isn't the Big Brother and the badge isn't a camera.



3. Don't patronize us. And I decide whether a single chapter is good or not, regardless of what will happen in the future.



icegenie said:
We as audience see a clearer picture than the characters in the story. We have the luxury to flip back past chapters and look at everyone's perspective. So please think before saying things like 'why is everyone looking so shocked when everything is so obvious?!?



Oh yes, guide us Bleach Fanboys, O Superior Beings Of Greater Intellect! Enlighten us with your Perfect Knowledge of everything there is, and guide us to the Civilized and Superior State Of Mind that everyone should have!



Well, we decide by ourselves if something is good or bad. And we'll do it by ourselves. With our own mind. That's shocking, isn't? That we can think without anyone else deciding for us?



icegenie said:
This is only 1 chapter. It is not the 'big revelation' that Kubo promised. Nor is it an overeaction on the Ichigo's and Ishida's part. It is just the start/unveiling of a whole new part of the big picture. If you understand this then you'll realize that your raving was uncalled for.



Why are you so sure about that?! Do you have a time machine? Did you see into the future this big revelation that explains the whole picture?



No, because you can't. You don't know anything about how this plot will turn out and you have no good reason to claim that this is only the small part of a big reveal. You're just inventing your own unfounded theories and pretending they're facts, like every single Bleach fanboy does in every MAL forum thread.



reaght said:
Uhm why are you criticising Kubo so badly... You are really not making any sense. I have to agree that the espada's were a big letdown for me, and the power ups of Aizen and Ichigo were pretty rediculous. But the story elements that are now being used are interesting again.



You can choose not to like the story, which is okay.... But to hate on the way Kubo writes his story and saying all kinds of b*llsh*t is just unneccesary.



JUST DONT READ HIS STORIES IF YOU DONT LIKE IT!! It's as simple as that.



No.



I don't have to obey to your suggestion, I have the right decide what to do with my spare time. And that includes reading this stupid manga, mocking it, analizing its flaws, criticizing it on the web, responding to the counterarguments of the fanboys, downloading it and sending a tweet on Kubo's twitter page where I'll complain about the development this manga has taken.



In short, I do it because I can, and you don't have any good reason to stop me.



And why are you lot insisting so much on this point? Is it because we are telling the truth, that Kubo is a worthless writer, and you're too sheltered to accept the fact that sometimes he makes mistakes?

Monad said:


In further news little Jorge(an elementary school kid) discovered that his parents didn't really give him a cell phone so he can be as cool as the other kids but because they actually wanted to be able to check up on him. The HUGE revelation has brought panic to little Jorge and his friend faces. DAMN THOSE EVIL PARENTS!! They never loved him!!! Should little Jorge now fight and kill his evil parents?

Lol give me a fucking break.

He wont make it short and painless! He will make them suffer! He will block their numbers! He is Jorge!

Fai said:


- Ukitake having sokyoku-destroying seals from unknown noble family - aka something Captains WOULD NOT have.





Unknown? Didn't it come from Yoruichi's family? It had the Shihoin family seal on it.  Yoruichi probably gave it to him.

I don't really get why this is supposed to be a such a  big revelation or why it would make the Soul Society look like the bad guys.



The badge suppressing Ichigo's power makes perfect  sense, seeing as how captains and liutenants have their powers suppressed by like 80% when they come to earth, so it's reasonable to do the same to Ichigo.  And it's reasonable to want to keep track substitutes since they're not officially part of the Gotei 13, so it makes sense to keep an eye on them in case they get into trouble or become threats. I really hope there's more to this "revelation".

It's normal to control you when you have that sort of power.