Bleach Chapter 474 Discussion

I really feel sorry for kuugo in this chapter. I'm sure soul society used him to give Ichigo such an ordeal.

Took him long enough to unleash his Bankai. Another 20 chapters and we might see his Hollow Mask take form.

icegenie said:
DarthObsidian said:
I don't really get why this is supposed to be a such a  big revelation or why it would make the Soul Society look like the bad guys.



The badge suppressing Ichigo's power makes perfect  sense, seeing as how captains and liutenants have their powers suppressed by like 80% when they come to earth, so it's reasonable to do the same to Ichigo.  And it's reasonable to want to keep track substitutes since they're not officially part of the Gotei 13, so it makes sense to keep an eye on them in case they get into trouble or become threats. I really hope there's more to this "revelation".





Another person who assumed that this is the 'big revelation' when not confirmed by Kubo or any other Bleach sources. Then they go 'what?! This is it?!' , get disappointed. And then takes it out on Kubo. Typical..



Kubo is the one who drew Ukitake in the shadows and all those surprised faces like the sky fell on their heads despite hearing stupid trivial things that shouldn't bother them at all.

It is Kubo that is bullshiting us. Trying to built suspense out of nothing and probably even more ridiculous take it back by having Ichigo saying shit like "I don't care" in the next chapter.

If you don't care then what where all those "Oh! my fucking God!!!" faces and words about who he should be fighting? Oh! yeah they where just Kubo trolling us. And if it's not a troll and that little thing is really so shocking to him then is just stupid plot.

So ether we have a stupid story with a character going crazy over something it shouldn't bother him much or we have a troll mangaka that likes to create false suspense and bullshit simply so he can have some pretentious dialogs and supposed cliffhangers.

Arashi89 said:


Kubo himself said that. A few weeks ago, in the MAL Forum Discussion Thread about Chapter 462 of Bleach, Fai said, and here I quote his exact words from Post #5:



Fai said:
Also, according to Kubo's more recent interviews, there's one chapter coming up soon in this arc that ill completely change everyone's perception of what is going on as, quoting kubo, it made the publishers drop their jaws to the floor from shock.



And then this chapter happened. And it turned out to be what it is. And there's only one chapter with the big twist. Not two, not three, not many, just one.



See? This is a fact. It's different from a fantasy because it has actual basis in reality.





A fact? Lord no.

You are assuming that this chapter is the one Kubo is talking about.

He did say that a chapter in this arc would change everyone's perception about what happened, he never said that the next twist he would use would absolutely be this one.

Also it look like the revelation are just getting started, we still don't know shit about what is happening so considering that the 'big revelation' is pretty much baseless.



hungry_bunny said:
ALL of those points are circumstantial at best, but for some reason they've almost been presented here as evidence. Nothing is ever that certain in Bleach.



-Kaien explained his reluctance as him not feeling worthy of the title "since there are many people more worthy of a promotion like that than me".

-Kaien would have gone after that Hollow in any case, Ukitake did try to stop him at first but... that Hollow had killed Kaien's wife and so he was fighting for his honor.

-Who said Ukitake was the one that erased her memories, could have been Aizen... IF anything was erased.

-Wonderweiss didn't like Gin either when he came to talk to Tousen, or Urahara. Wonderweiss had a weird definition of what's "pure".



Maybe I'm being to one-sided, I've always argued for the shinigami being good guys after all... the question is, if any of those first points were given by someone who was objective or someone who only looked at the opposite angle of things, shoe-horning them into the fit of a theory.



I believe that the thing being tested by Ginjo isn't only Ichigo's trust in SS, the reader's trust is being tested as well, perhaps it's a way to make it easier to relate to the doubts that could be growing within Ichigo.



-A VC seat is not something people refuse yet he didn't want to be Ukitake's VC. Now if we are talking about circunstance about why he would refuse the post we should not discard the possibility of him not refusing a VC seat but instead refusing being directly under Ukitake. Why would he do that? Possibly because he isn't as nice as he makes himself look.



-True and that's why I say he is not evil. He balanced the scale and judged that it would be convenient for him and that Kaien would get what he want at the same time, either one of these factor being false he would probably have saved him.

A captain and especially a senior captain should have been able to save him if he really wanted to, sick or not, we saw much weaker shinigami being in a more dire state that just having an illness that displayed much more willpower.



-Ukitake is the one that sent Rukia to the real world. It's not impossible for Aizen to have erased her memory but whatfor? It wouldn't benifit Aizen's plan while in return we do not know what Ukitake is up to.

If we consider the Ukitake vs Aizen discussion it is possible to see a blur line where Ukitake could have been working with Aizen prior to him rebelling against SS, probably Aizen under Ukitake thus the 'you are too arrogant' line



-Gin was one of the most impure character in bleach. He constantly tricked people for the sakes of revenge so obviously WW didn't liked him.

Tousen on the other hand was fighting the sake of his justice, always beleiving he was right and that he was walking the right path toward peace. Tousen was a much more pure character than Gin.



Remember who was the 'nicest captain' before? It was Aizen.

People labelling Ukitake as the big heart guy is as streching it as saying that he's the incarnation of evil. Of course he'll be nice as long as things goes his way.

hungry_bunny said:
Of course he hasn't told the whole truth yet, this was just the intro...



First, he makes it seem like if none of the captains really trust him enough to tell him the truth about the badge. Going even as far as planting doubts about how Renji and Rukia only stayed by his side to keep an eye on him...



...then Ginjo'll probably continue by insinuating that the Final Getsuga Tenshou was only supposed to remove his powers temporarily, but the badge made sure his powers stayed gone...



...then, when all the doubts and malignant thoughts have festered and infected Ichigo deep enough, the REAL secret is revealed...



...he's the container of the 9-tailed Soul-King-Fox!!! *Flashback to when Aizen saw Ichigo get born and tried to steal the Soul-King*



Y-yeah. Then Ukitake warps in and cuts down Ginjo. After that he removes his mask and we see... ICHIGO's MOM evil smile!!! ALL AS PLANNED from the moment he was born!

When Ichigo got the badge he was an unknown reijutsu user to the shinigamis and he fought on par with captians so he was powerful too. But he did not could controll his power very well which could lead to the destruction of Karukara town ,etc.  So SS gave him an item the badge which kept  his power in balance.The reason they did not tell him the purpose of it  is lie in Ichigos personality(I can do it alone i dont need help) he would not have accepted it. So they lied to him.



It is only a theory but it is as good  as the Ukitake the evil  mastermind theory.

Really?! That is your big twist Kubo?! The shinigami badge is actually A FUCKING GPS?!



Fuck this shit, I'm not in the mood for mocking it.

People generally don't like to be treated like puppets, but if Ichigo actually believes it is another thing.