Bleach Chapter 474 Discussion

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  • #98
Ukitake did well giving Ichigo the badge. Imagine him creating more and more special people in his school. Even if Ichigo was limited Tatsuki and the guys were able to see hollows near the end and were able to not evaporate being near Aizen.



The whole Badge idea might even put some light on why did Ichigo loose many fights in real world. Badge suppressed his shinigami side (or hollow too?) and he had to fight the hollow. Grimmjow and Yami beat him (soon after Yami and Ulqiuorra left a team from SS came to help - were they notified by Urahara or found about from the Badge?). Yes he probably didn't have the badge in his spiritual body but it was in near proximity or had long range effect on Ichigo.



In Hueco Mundo he kicked Grimmjow pretty easy in the end and then wiped Ulquiorra.

The only problem I have with the Badge effect is FKT and real town in SS. Maybe Urahara basement limited badge effect (or where Ichigo body was)?



Next questions are. Why did Ukitake monitor substitute shinigami's? Was it his personal task or maybe Yamamoto / C46 had ordered him to do so?

If SS civil war is going to happen then who will side with who? Will Kyoraku betray friendship he shares with Ukitake or will it be the other way?



Are the bodies in Hueco Mundo (the lab ones) connected to Ukitake plot and Aizen?



Kubo don't F... This up! D:
 
  • #100
Avalie said:
Fai said:
  

1 . Its not the full truth. Urahara would not be nervous for such a simple stuff. Also Ginjou was INTERRUPTED by Ichigo, so I guess Ginjou wastes ichigo's bankai next chapter (since Ichigo released first) and continues talking.



2. Ishida was not scared about the truth itself that moment. he was nervous on how KUROSAKI himself will react to that. The guy went through two betrayals in this arc already(one being fake by everyone and one by ginjou). He is not exactly in a stable position to hear out YET ANOTHER betrayal story.







1. Like I said, the 'truth' is lame because it's NOT surprising. Also note that I used apostrophes in my previous post and also now.



2. I did not say Ishida was scared. I was saying why were they acting so SURPRISED, including Ishida. If after over 400 chapters Ichigo chooses to believe Ginjou, the person who has just expressly betrayed him after 2 weeks, over the bonds he had built with his SS friends over 2 years who have repeatedly saved him in HM and NOW, then he fails. It just shows he has learned absolutely nothing from his fighting encounters and verbal exchanges with Aizen. Yes, it's so traumatic for him to have gone through 'two' betrayals. He should get over himself and stop feeling victimised.



I think he means that Ichigo goes insane right now, because there's too much crap he has to put up with lately. Which does explain why some in here think he will start kicking everyone's ass and be like a sort of Hulk ... LOL!
 
  • #101
fuck all you haters it was a good twist and NONE of you were expecting it so dont even lie and i can guaranteethat that isnt all there will be more to it soo chill the fuck out haha
 
  • #102
Mindfuck O_o

I SO thought, it's going to be Urahara or captain commander at least.

Ukitake mastermind, I want to see his badass side o.o

I hope for as good chapter next week, as this one :D
 
  • #103
wanna see ichigo go vigilante!!! go to the dark side!!! be overlord! supreme ruler or watevr!!!
 
  • #104
Maddo_scientisto said:
'you are too arrogant' line



Frankly the way I see it its exactly like that.  the whole thing felt like Aizen interrupted some sort of plan.



that also adds new light to SS events. Aizen possibly acted at the moment he did not only because he wanted Hogyoku(he could have went in more silent ways), but also to throw a wrench into SS plans(since he knows the secret about SS and the truth about Soul king,also known as the secret that made him rebel).



Frankly I would not have been surprised if Ichigo was the royal key and that is still quite possible, frankly, which would put the fake-karakura events into entirely new light too.



tamachana said:
And for the SS side, i guess i see why it's like that. Since he's human and all, he probably doesn't know how to "control" His powers and supress it like a proper shinigami. So it suppresses it. If they didn't supress it, they'd have a situation like aizen, where if anyone approached them they would die from the seer amount of power he has;

Except that Ichigo is not radiating constantly. he is leaking form time to time and most of that was before the whole ishida encounter.  After regaining his powers with Urahara before SS arc, I believe he was not leaking more than normal shinigami in the gigai.



For starters there are few problems with the whole badge thing:

1) they did not tell him.  Captains get told about limiters. If it was nothing suspicious or malevolent, why not just outright say "hey, this thingy here fixes your reiatsu leak problems". They did not. This leads to 2)

2)From the way Ginjou words it. SS does not want to just "supress" ichigo. they want to control him as weapon.Thanks to badge they will always find him and could off him if he revolts.  SS decides Ichigo should wipe out some nu-quincy race? Ichigo would have to do it or die, for example.

3) it reeks of Big Brother. The badge system is bassically the Patriot Act:SS Version - The extreme edition.  Ichigo finds out something bad about SS(ala what Aizen and Urahara found out) and Ichigo gets offed, alongside with his family possibly.



I guess the current little part of what we know(since we don't know everything) boils down to the old debate of government versus freedom of speech. Should government monitor every and every action of its people, have full access to phone records, emails, internet usage, etc? Should government punish people for a word, way of thinking or knowledge?



We don't know the whole picture but from what we know, SS looks at Ichigo as a disposable tool and a threat. He is a convenient mega-weapon for them and it certainly shows with how he was practically used since the very end of SS arc.
 
  • #105
well Kubo, if that was the huge shocker your were talking about

I can safely say that you lost all means of creative writing

on a side note, I am kinda looking forward to Ichigo's new bankai form
 
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