Bleach Chapter 471 Discussion

SagaraYuzuru said:
Will you please beat it and leave it alone. I was not talking to you, so you have no reason to reply or anything to correct me by, since I was only stating what I thought. Don't you have anything else to do than argue with us? Your spam of annoying arguments does you no credit.



That's what a discussion is for, you can reply to whoever you want to and you can choose to ignore whoever you want.



icegenie said:
Hmmm... A proper analogy would be a rich brat having the power and authority to do whatever he/she wants to get whatever he/she wants.. It's probably the same as having powers, the fact that they can do things that 'normal' people cant. We dont call these rich people "sociopaths". They just have the power to do things their way. Especially for children because they just want instant gratification.



Except these children are mentally disturbed, 1 of them kidnapped and held a person hostage and another one chose to be an anti-social recluse shunning himself from everyone in his life.



icegenie said:
Well, even if he never thought it would work, the point is that he made that thought in the first place.. Which is pretty scary, I would say.. We wouldnt know if it was for "no good reason" (as someone mentioned) excatly because we dont know the relationship between the two.



It is for no good reason, he just chose to kill his wife out of the blue just to test his powers.  At least Light Yagami from Death Note had the decency to test his powers out on criminals before he turned into a power-hungry psycho, Giriko just went psycho and killed her all of the sudden.



icegenie said:
Sorry? I din catch the part about stealing a pair of shiny boots.. I thought her family died cause of her dad's involvement in the black market, not about the stolen boots...



Yeah, her dad did illegal stuff in the black market, the boots were just a gift to Jackie.

SagaraYuzuru said:
It's nice to see that the Fullbringers are being understood, at least by some people. I can understand what they are thinking, even if I never had in any way a life like theirs. But the past things was dealt with quickly, which is an improvement so that there is more time to concentrate on the present. I feel satisfied with this chapter.



I liked the background stories, to be honest. I am kind of expecting the Anime to turn the life stories into something bigger, because they are getting close to catching up with Tite Kubo again. That, or another session of filler episodes and/or filler arc.

So SS does not realize that they are predators, but FB does, because Riruka pretty much gave a definition for predator that could just as easily be used to descrbie the FBers, but then says the FBers are weaklings that can't do anything? But they realize it?





Do you even see how your argument contradicts itself? It just draws a perfect circle and uses its own arguments against itself. Seriously, I could draw a diagram to illustrate your opinion and it wouldn't require much effort.

kizu-kun said:
niedude said:
kizu-kun said:
Machuran said:
kizu-kun said:
More like just a naive little 7 year old girl. In the end she knew she was wrong so she let him go. Could you imagine if 7 year old's in real life had friggin SUPER POWERS? Chaos and destruction would run a muck. Not because little kids are psychos but because there are immature and don't think about the consequences of their actions like adults do.



Except she's not a little 7 year old girl, she's a desperate, deranged, selfish little brat.  Just because you see her as a 7 year old doesn't make it so.

I don't see her as a little girl i was referring to the flashback. You called her a psycho for locking the guy in a chest. Riruka was 7 years old WHEN THAT HAPPENED.





Oh, I hate this new view Society has on kids. They see them as innocent little things that can't be blamed for anything they do, and then wonder what they did wrong when they grow up to be psychos or in any other way contribute to this new, messed up world we live in.



Listen, children DO TOO distinguish right from wrong and that each act has consequences, it is actually the natural process for them to learn these things. What is happening nowadays is that most parents fucking suck and soil their kids, refusing to punish them (and grounding a kid from videogames is not a punishment, its a simple measure with no strong results that only serves to make the parent feel  like they did something, which they most certainly did not.)



A 7 year old, ESPECIALLY in Japan, very much knows right from wrong. Their strict educational systems manages rather well in maturing them at a really age (do not confuse this with an act of robbing a child's youth, a child can live his youth and be mature at the same time) what with the sense of responsability kids are given as soon as they enter elementary school. except that a 7 year old would be a first grader. I didn't go through the same education system but im pretty sure they're are not cracking the whip and being all strict in first grade. but that's besides the point. You are going in a whole nother direction bringing in real world japanese education and what not.



My point was that Maruchan was demonizing this little girl. Kids tend to do bad things and get in trouble, and yes they deserve to suffer consequences for their bad behavior, but to call her some deranged psycho maniac is going to far. Especially when she did eventually see the error of her ways. A bad kid might see some candy in a store and decide to steal it. In her case she was a selfish brat who saw a guy she liked and used her powers to get him. Yes kidnapping is something we see as psychotic but in real life normal kids wouldn't even be capable of doing that. And she just wanted to play with him rather than torturing him or doing perverse things like a real psycho maniac would. So i'm not saying she's shouldn't be punished i'm saying stop making her into Jack the Charles Manson Hitler Ripper.



I must agree with Kizu. Sometimes kids don't know any better and just do things they shouldn't be doing. I'm pretty sure everyone has had some type of experience of doing something they shouldn't be doing when they were a kid (maybe not as intense as Riruka did) and you probably got punished or told that what you did was wrong. But there are cases in which kids really did have a mental disorder that made them do whatever it is they did, but in my opinion that wasn't the case with Riruka.

oh look its rukia being useless again

kizu-kun said:
You seem to be stuck on the fact the she put a guy in a box and won't look at any of parts of the situation....



Which isn't any different from how you're stuck with your position on Riruka.



kizu-kun said:
I didn't say she didn't know how to use her ability but that she didn't believe it would cause him harm. She did NOT want to starve him or put him in danger which is why she let him go. Please at least acknowledge that. Either way i'm done debating this.



She let him go because she was bored with him, she did put him in danger in the 1st place.  She didn't care if it would cause him any hard, that's why she kept using her powers on other people.

SleepnDreamn said:
Why are fullbringers angry about shinigami? Shinigami's duty is to protect humans from hollows and take care of souls. Shinigami aren't responsible for humans and how they live their lives. What lies did Ginjo fed his team or what made Ginjo hate SS so much?



And who exactly appointed them to do that? And Shinigami do far more than that. They technically decide and reign over those souls and what a pretty place SS is indeed.



Essentially you have BILLIONS and infinity of souls starving and living in poverty, a few thousands of nobles and shinigami hiding behind seireitei walls, out  those few thousands you have 12 shinigami squad leaders impossing their will and power upon them and then you have 1 captain commander ruling over those 12 with his power alone and taking orders from 46 nobles.



Thats 46 people and 1 uber powerful man deciding the fate of billions whose voices do NOT matter.



There are a lot of questions but one question that is clearly answered is "why should one try to rebel or change SS structure".



What Made Ginjo hate SS? Between their regular genocide activities, immoral experiments, medieval-level of politics, class warfare, nobility politics, stuff gone wrong, rogue stuff, soul king secret, millions of other secrets, including the real purpose of the shinigami badge which we still don't know - spin the bloody wheel...





Fullbringers have problem with the overall arrogance SS displays. Why? BECAUSE they experienced it themselves, by being arrogant themselves. Difference is that SS tries to justify it while FBs already know how wrong that is.





SleepnDreamn said:


Also how did the fullbringers get their power in the first place? I haven't seen any of them come in contact with hollow.



They did not. It was already explained that THEIR mothers were attacked or came in contact with hollows while pregnant. That came in contact might be an attack or it might be hollow passing down the street or shinigami fighting a hollow near their house. Anything that spreads hollow reiatsu near a pregnant woman.

I forgot to say that the guy Riruka kept in her box looked like Ichigo!!!



And what Rukia said about the Xcution guys is true.. Although The Shinigamis are hated by many, when they face an enemy, they stand together as one and they fight for 1 purpose.. Same for Ichigo and gang.. But in the case of Ginjo and gang, they were separated by Yukio's fullbring and in my opinion, they are fighting for their individual purpose which happen to coincide with the same theme of revenge/hatred for others...