Bleach Chapter 471 Discussion

Machuran said:
monkeysrumble said:
I must agree with Kizu. Sometimes kids don't know any better and just do things they shouldn't be doing. I'm pretty sure everyone has had some type of experience of doing something they shouldn't be doing when they were a kid (maybe not as intense as Riruka did) and you probably got punished or told that what you did was wrong. But there are cases in which kids really did have a mental disorder that made them do whatever it is they did, but in my opinion that wasn't the case with Riruka.



What kind of kid traps a person inside a box?  Not all kids are like this, sure they might do bad things like stealing candies or something, but what Riruka did was psychologically messed up, so a mental disorder wouldn't be completely out of the question. could you at least agree that in a hypothetical situation were little kids had super-natural abilities there would be severe mishaps or possibly even casualties do to improper use of their powers?

I just wanna say my piece regarding some issues discussed.



1. Murder = prove of human. But murder not = humane. There's a difference. Think about it. When other animals kill each other, we don't call it murder. We only use murder when a human kills another. We don't even call it murder when a ghost or any other supernatural being (vampire, or even shinigami) kills a human. But its not a humane act. Even Kubo wrote a quote, "to err is human. To kill is evil." Some of you might see my point as a contradiction but its not. I am discussing about the words murder, human and humane, and how they relate to each other.



2. Yes I believe its possible for a 7 year old kid to do what Riruka did if given superpowers. When I was about that age, a female relative of my age stayed in my house for a week. I really liked the doll she had and I took it when she wasn't looking and hid it somewhere she couldn't find it. But conscience got the better of me, just like Riruka. She realized that the situation turned into something she din expect. She definitely wasn't psycho. If she was, she wouldn't have realized that.



3. Yes, the fullbringers don't deserve our pity. Ichigo used his powers to good use. Even though he din have an unfavourable lives like some, he had his own share of mishaps in life. Actually I don't think yukio and riruka had a bad life. Their revenge on SS is still unjustified at this point (if that is their motive). Even though the shinigamis might be arrogant or whatsoever, they have a ultimate mission which is to protect SS.





Hmmmm.. I think that's it for now. Kubo has lots more explaining to do.

SoFarGone said:
Whatever happen to Riruka not wanting to fight?

Well, I think it's because Rukia angered Riruka by being too arrogant to the illusion of "The weak becomes meat for the strong to eat." and the fullbringers being a "scraps of weak meat". In human sense, it's what they call "blind empathy". "Don't just spout words out of your own convenience, shinigami", I think that's Riruka's feelings and thoughts just now.

Ruri-san said:


And what happened at the end? Rukia's power being sucked by Riruka?

I was confused too

Fai said:
err...what?



Oh wow dude, did not know that an opinion can be proven wrong with a same butthurt response of "no you are wrong" again and again.



And stop being a cheerleader.



But that's exactly what you're doing.



Fai said:
Don't. Bother.  Replying to this person most of times results with him repeating the same argument again and again repeatedly without bringing anything new to the table.



That's exactly what you're doing with your arguments, hypocrite.



Fai said:
He "tried to" kill his wife with his powers. When he realized its working he tried to stop it and lost an eye. I thought it was made quite clear.



No, he just random killed his wife without any reason for doing so and then lost his eye in the process.



Fai said:
Yukio has been pretty much characterized as sociopath(this chapter also added to that since its implied he does not understand feelings), also parents shunning their children because they are not going the way THEY want and the children shutting off from the parents is supposed to make me dislike him how? If anything, such a behavior usually only worsens the condition.



His parents didn't shun him, Yukio did.  Yukio shunned and isolated himself, he was just being a spoiled rich brat with sociopath issues.



Fai said:
So bassicaly you dislike Riruka because she acted like a child when she was a child?...what? You do know that pretty much every child has done something like that, minus superpower thing? Be it bringing someone's(or stray) cat into the the house, to stealing stuff from parents, to taking other children's stuff. The only different with RIruka is that she has a superpower. And did not have any sort of "uncle Ben" to say that it comes with responsibility.



Except most children don't behave that way, the ones that do have serious issues.  The examples you pulled are much different than kidnapping someone and trapping them inside a box.  There's a huge difference.



This is nothing like Spiderman, Peter Parker didn't go around strangling people with his web for no apparent reason nor did he kidnap and trap people in his web.  These people are messed up, this isn't even about responsibilities so much as it's about messed up people with serious mental issues.

Machuran said:
kizu-kun said:
More like just a naive little 7 year old girl. In the end she knew she was wrong so she let him go. Could you imagine if 7 year old's in real life had friggin SUPER POWERS? Chaos and destruction would run a muck. Not because little kids are psychos but because there are immature and don't think about the consequences of their actions like adults do.



Except she's not a little 7 year old girl, she's a desperate, deranged, selfish little brat.  Just because you see her as a 7 year old doesn't make it so.

I don't see her as a little girl i was referring to the flashback. You called her a psycho for locking the guy in a chest. Riruka was 7 years old WHEN THAT HAPPENED.

niedude said:
kizu-kun said:
Machuran said:
kizu-kun said:
More like just a naive little 7 year old girl. In the end she knew she was wrong so she let him go. Could you imagine if 7 year old's in real life had friggin SUPER POWERS? Chaos and destruction would run a muck. Not because little kids are psychos but because there are immature and don't think about the consequences of their actions like adults do.



Except she's not a little 7 year old girl, she's a desperate, deranged, selfish little brat.  Just because you see her as a 7 year old doesn't make it so.

I don't see her as a little girl i was referring to the flashback. You called her a psycho for locking the guy in a chest. Riruka was 7 years old WHEN THAT HAPPENED.





Oh, I hate this new view Society has on kids. They see them as innocent little things that can't be blamed for anything they do, and then wonder what they did wrong when they grow up to be psychos or in any other way contribute to this new, messed up world we live in.



Listen, children DO TOO distinguish right from wrong and that each act has consequences, it is actually the natural process for them to learn these things. What is happening nowadays is that most parents fucking suck and soil their kids, refusing to punish them (and grounding a kid from videogames is not a punishment, its a simple measure with no strong results that only serves to make the parent feel  like they did something, which they most certainly did not.)



A 7 year old, ESPECIALLY in Japan, very much knows right from wrong. Their strict educational systems manages rather well in maturing them at a really age (do not confuse this with an act of robbing a child's youth, a child can live his youth and be mature at the same time) what with the sense of responsability kids are given as soon as they enter elementary school. except that a 7 year old would be a first grader. I didn't go through the same education system but im pretty sure they're are not cracking the whip and being all strict in first grade. but that's besides the point. You are going in a whole nother direction bringing in real world japanese education and what not.



My point was that Maruchan was demonizing this little girl. Kids tend to do bad things and get in trouble, and yes they deserve to suffer consequences for their bad behavior, but to call her some deranged psycho maniac is going to far. Especially when she did eventually see the error of her ways. A bad kid might see some candy in a store and decide to steal it. In her case she was a selfish brat who saw a guy she liked and used her powers to get him. Yes kidnapping is something we see as psychotic but in real life normal kids wouldn't even be capable of doing that. And she just wanted to play with him rather than torturing him or doing perverse things like a real psycho maniac would. So i'm not saying she's shouldn't be punished i'm saying stop making her into Jack the Charles Manson Hitler Ripper.

Hmm, that wasn't too bad. Kubo got everyone's past into one chapter. Hooray for not dragging a flashback on for chapters upon chapters. Now we just need to know about Ginjou's past. He probably just has a vendetta against Soul Society and recruited each one of them with his persuasive words to fight with him.



Seems like Riruka absorbed Rukia's reiatsu or something like that. Wonder if she can now assume the body of Rukia with that.