Bleach Chapter 471 Discussion

SagaraYuzuru said:
Indeed. Understanding does not mean being able to relate, but to know why. Yukio became isolated because his parents where the type that would only love a child that would be what they wanted, and Riruka wanted to keep everything see loved to herself, keeping them away from others. They were "selfish" and "bratty" because that's how they grew up as, and there are a lot of children like that. The only difference is that they had powers, while no one (for all that we know) in our world have those.



Hmmm... A proper analogy would be a rich brat having the power and authority to do whatever he/she wants to get whatever he/she wants.. It's probably the same as having powers, the fact that they can do things that 'normal' people cant. We dont call these rich people "sociopaths". They just have the power to do things their way. Especially for children because they just want instant gratification.



SagaraYuzuru said:
But you're right about Griko. It's hard to understand why the thought "kill my wife" crossed his mind. Either he never thought it would work, or he actually had a very bad relationship with her that would provoke such a thought. It's only known that he regretted it, only to have his eye blown out because of it. (Also, has anybody thought that Griko's name has the 'ko' in the end, which is used for a girl's name?)



Well, even if he never thought it would work, the point is that he made that thought in the first place.. Which is pretty scary, I would say.. We wouldnt know if it was for "no good reason" (as someone mentioned) excatly because we dont know the relationship between the two.



SagaraYuzuru said:
And yes, it would be unfair to put Jackie in the category of being horrible, since what happened to her was not her fault. The only question remain is who is so extreme to kill because somebody stole a pair of shiny boots. I guess it would be some criminal gang or the mafia who would do it.   



Sorry? I din catch the part about stealing a pair of shiny boots.. I thought her family died cause of her dad's involvement in the black market, not about the stolen boots...

Mormegil said:
Most confusing Bleach chapter I've ever read. I even tried reading it backwards. Kubo can't do flashbacks, and no one cares about the fullbringers.



"UR DUR I KILLED MY WIFE JUST BECAUSE I COULD. FEEL BAD FOR ME."



"I DON'T LIKE TO TALK TO MY PARENTS WAAAAAAH!"



"I LIKE TO HIDE THINGS FROM PEOPLE MINE MINE MINE" <3







Not to mention they randomly get their powers because Kubo. He doesn't even explain shit.



It was stated that they got there powers when there parents were attacked by hollows before they were born. Also I thought your opinion on the flashbacks were funny (especially the time guys one who I can't remember the name of at the moment.)

Riruka wanted to feel Rukia's chest! Rukia is Riruka love rival! The one with bigger chest wins Ichigo. She still has the chance since Tsukishima took care of Inoue :D



Rukia so cool :o connected to her sword while Riruka was going on about their past.

Riruka is trying to buy herself some time. Waits for Yukio to let them free. She cant give that away as She fears that Yukio would kill her for betrayal.



I hate eye patch guy even more now.

Machuran said:
generalmartacus said:
Solid flashback chapter. Plus the fact that he got everyone in in ONE CHAPTER - pretty sweet. This actually made me like the Fullbringers more, because up to this point we didn't know anything about them, and now they really come across as human, and by that I mean flawed beings with a different outlook than the shinigami.



Bring on the next one!!!



More human?  1 of them killed his wife for no good reason.



Yes. Thats exactly why they are more human tahn all other bleach characters. THEY ALL misused their power with their personal flaws.



Machuran said:




Except the flashbacks show that the Fullbringers' problems are self-inflicted (except Jackie's dad), that had nothing to do with the Shinigamis.  Both the Shinigamis and the Fullbringers are arrogant for different reasons.  The Shinigamis are arrogant because of their pride/honor to carry out their duties.  The Fullbringers are arrogant because they're just completely messed up.



RIght, wrong and wrong.



Yes, FB's misused their powers, they all had those awesome powers, but just had no idea how to use them to fit into the world they lived in, leading to isolation. thats exactly WHY they hate shinigami.



FBs are arrogant, misused their powers and KNOW it. Shinigami are arrogant, misuse their power and try to hypocritically justify it.



And its honor that makes shinigami hold themselves above the other souls and to live nobly and perfectly in seireitei while infinity of souls in SS starve and suffer? You can't just apply black and white morality to Bleach. This manga has been firmly rooted in Gray/Gray and Gray/Black since SS days.





Machuran said:


A Shinigami didn't force Giriko to kill his wife, a Shinigami didn't turn Yukio against his parents, a Shinigami didn't kill Jackie's family, a Shinigami didn't have anything to do with Riruka's bratty selfishness.



Thank you for completely missing the point of flashback yet again.

Ehh. I don't like Kubo's panels. Confuses me. I wasn't sure which person each page was about..



And idk what really happened at the end too..



All I know is that the fullbringers were abused and are "together" as scraps of meat with Ginjo. Great.



And that Rukia hopped out of a stuffed animal and was stabbed.

btw: That bunny she was in was adorable!!



I think the story was really interesting.. But I just felt that all of them are stupid. xD

Pretty good chapter comparing to previous ones. The first half was even interesting

eucalyptustree16 said:
A typical Kubo-chapter.



- Hardly any content

- Wasted character dev

- Boring cliffhanger

- No attention to the individual, it's always a group



Quoted for the truth!Fai said:
Machuran said:
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God do you even READ what you quote?



I did not side with FBs, I stated that both sides are equally "gray".



And unless you have more arguments than "NO U!" please stop responding to my posts, ty.



And suddenly I get the feeling the FBers arent the only spoiled brats around these parts. He can't even admit he's wrong, he just goes and says "STOP PROVING ME WRONG!" and pouts.

kizu-kun said:
Machuran said:
kizu-kun said:
More like just a naive little 7 year old girl. In the end she knew she was wrong so she let him go. Could you imagine if 7 year old's in real life had friggin SUPER POWERS? Chaos and destruction would run a muck. Not because little kids are psychos but because there are immature and don't think about the consequences of their actions like adults do.



Except she's not a little 7 year old girl, she's a desperate, deranged, selfish little brat.  Just because you see her as a 7 year old doesn't make it so.

I don't see her as a little girl i was referring to the flashback. You called her a psycho for locking the guy in a chest. Riruka was 7 years old WHEN THAT HAPPENED.





Oh, I hate this new view Society has on kids. They see them as innocent little things that can't be blamed for anything they do, and then wonder what they did wrong when they grow up to be psychos or in any other way contribute to this new, messed up world we live in.



Listen, children DO TOO distinguish right from wrong and that each act has consequences, it is actually the natural process for them to learn these things. What is happening nowadays is that most parents fucking suck and soil their kids, refusing to punish them (and grounding a kid from videogames is not a punishment, its a simple measure with no strong results that only serves to make the parent feel  like they did something, which they most certainly did not.)



A 7 year old, ESPECIALLY in Japan, very much knows right from wrong. Their strict educational systems manages rather well in maturing them at a really age (do not confuse this with an act of robbing a child's youth, a child can live his youth and be mature at the same time) what with the sense of responsability kids are given as soon as they enter elementary school.