Bleach Chapter 468 Discussion

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  • #34
Arashi89 said:
... What the hell is wrong with this chapter?!

Alright, Tsukishima's powers are broken, and yes, he never said anything that about using it on objects. But screwing with physics is really too much for a guy whose powers are only memory modification!

And it doesn't matter how broken he is! Next chapter we'll see him knocked out by a kido prepared by Byakuya before the battle. There's no way Kubo will surprise us by making a Shinigami lose to a Fullbring.


This!!
 
  • #35
Psyxwar said:
Psyxwar said:Avalie said:

Any physical object, be it living or inanimate, possesses a 'memory' since the beginning of its existence. He is able to manipulate that memory by inserting himself into that memory. He is not inserting himself physically into an alternate universe. There isn't any.

Tsukishima is boring. His suspenders should be in flames. :D

The problem is the object at hand has only existed for a few minutes, therefore its memory from the beginning of existence is a few minutes. Do you really think a few minutes is sufficient to set such a large trap, considering that Byakuya was present for all of this time? The specifics of his abilities do not matter - the point is he is able to insert himself into the past and physically affect the outside world by affecting the past. For example, his insertion into the block's "memory" resulted in the creation of a trap. This means that he is physically affecting the outside world and that his actions actually did occur, or the trap could not have been made. Following this, it can be deduced that Tsukishima's insertion into Inoue's memory meant that he actually defeated Aizen. Ichigo still has the memory that he defeated Aizen, but because Tsukishima's ability made it so that Tsukishima was the one who actually defeated Aizen, the world has been changed so that Tsukishima, not Ichigo, defeated Aizen. For some reason nobody else except the individuals were cut were affected by this change, meaning that everyone else was displaced into this new parallel world with their old memories in tact. Basically, Kubo has made another bullshit ability which doesn't logically make any sense.

Anyway, his ability also seems to allow Tsukishima accomplish the impossible; he is seemingly able to insert his presence into a "memory", even if it is something impossible for him to do (eg: beat Aizen, make a trap while fighting Byakuya in the span of a few minutes). No, it is not just an edit of memory because it does affect the physical world. He is actually changing an object or individual's past but somehow not affecting everything else. It doesn't make much sense to be honest.


To make it clear, its not memory manipulation. He litterally is writing the past of that object and that object only, theoretically replacing that object with alternate version of that object, without changing the timeline itself.


Its the same as to say - you have an apple on the table. I come and replace the table a fridge. Apple remains the same. everything in the room remains the same, but the there's no table now, but a fridge.


HE STATED IT AND GINJOU STATED IT previously - tsukishima is not just "manipulating memories" - since that can be counteracted. He is actually REWRITING the past of the objects and people he cuts.


It make a perfect sense, for now since the power does not have an official explanation, its the same as example above. tsukishima is essentially manipulating reality in terms of time and dimension in that he effectively replaces a part of current reality and current timeline with the version according to his wishes. Since every and any possibility theoretically  creates a parallel universe, he can pretty much bring any wished result into reality.


Tsukishima is literally a bookmark - he inserts himself into the "page" of the objects existence and interacts with it.


That is pretty much the only explanation going by what he said and what he did(that is, he reiterated again and again that to the people he cut those all events DID happen, he is not just replacing the memories)


In a sense, thats very similar to hogyoku - hogyoku manipulates the reality making even smallest things possible, as long as they are possible, Sushi's knuckles fucked with causality and probability of events, giriko affected the rules and laws of reality(time and space), Yukio and Riruka apparently manipulate the dimensions themselves and Ginjou's nature of power is yet to be truly seen.


The very basis of fullbring ability is bending the nature and laws of anything in reality itself. What varied were the methods on how its done and with what, however with Ichigo's power, the "with what" is no longer important.


Many people wondered on why Ginjou shared Ichigo's power - well its clear its not about STRENGTH, but about NATURE of power itself.  Every FB power in itself is haxxed and very dangerous in itself, however limited by their nature - a  limitation Ichigo's power nature denies, since ichigo's fb in nature, is all about manifesting things in the reality itself


Tsuki so far just happened to have the most haxxed and easy to put to use method to do that.
 
  • #36
LiarK said:
[ What a cheat.

What she said.

Arashi89 said:
And it doesn't matter how broken he is! Next chapter we'll see him knocked out by a kido prepared by Byakuya before the battle. There's no way Kubo will surprise us by making a Shinigami lose to a Fullbring.

Also what he said.
 
  • #37
I thought he just alter memories but he actually change past? now that doesn't make any sense, and byakuya sword can't hit him. next chapter Hadō#672.


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Arashi89 said:
... What the hell is wrong with this chapter?!

Alright, Tsukishima's powers are broken, and yes, he never said anything that about using it on objects. But screwing with physics is really too much for a guy whose powers are only memory modification!


And it doesn't matter how broken he is! Next chapter we'll see him knocked out by a kido prepared by Byakuya before the battle. There's no way Kubo will surprise us by making a Shinigami lose to a Fullbring.

All This
 
  • #38
Psyxwar said:
How did he manage to insert himself into the history of an object and make it into a trap if the object was only created a few minutes ago?


Any physical object, be it living or inanimate, possesses a 'memory' since the beginning of its existence. He is able to manipulate that memory by inserting himself into that memory. He is not inserting himself physically into an alternate universe. There isn't any.


Tsukishima is boring. His suspenders should be in flames. :D
 
  • #39
Zer010 said:
Why do I feel some awesome keido on the way?


I bet we never see how this fight ends for now(since so far all fights barring Kenpachi's ended in sort-of cliffhanger of sorts).


Once all fights are resolved, Byakuya comes out of the virtual world and as the chapter cliffhanger attacks the good guys , Allowing ginjou and tsuki to escape(not before ginjou throws some bombshell revelation to Ichigo that makes him distrust ss) :)
 
  • #40
Fai said:
Puty said:
Well, Aizen didn't say that he is Jesus so I guess it is still possible.

Except that both Ginjou and tsukishima pretty much FUCKING STATED TSUKI'S ABILITY BEING TIME MANIPULATION  at least twice and THE WHOLE POINT OF FB is affecting animate or inanimate objects, since going by shinto beliefs, everything has a soul.

reading comprehension.


Because butlers, portable consoles and engines just scream Japanese religious myths.


No, it doesn't work like that. Tsukishima's powers were implied to be in the realm of human possibilities, up until this chapter, where suddenly it became "I can change the past as much as I want, disregarding physics, logic and common sense". Seriously, how did he manage to prepare a trap that throws a giant mass of concrete to the enemy? Does he bring a huge slab of stone just in case he has to create a trap? And how can you change the past life (so to speak) of a sword in a way that can never hit you again but that works just fine with anyone else?


It seems that you're the only one who needs reading comprehension instead of fanboy rage.
 
  • #41
What the hell...


Tsukishima's ability sounds way too hax right now.
 
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