Bleach Chapter 468 Discussion

AceIII said:
The only thing I can say about this chapter is : PENIS !


Glad to see I'm not the only one who noticed that xD

Didn't like this chapter ...

Bleach sucks as a batlle manga, though it's supposed to be one ...


First he could change other's memories of the past, now he can change the very past. From a stupid power to one of most powerful ever hearded of.

This is what I call sucking at writing battle manga.


Ah and also in this chapter I saw falsified once and for all that stupid theory of gotei 13 ambassadors at the place acting as badasses. Bald-guy was totally cool and shonen-esque.

Is there even a tiny-tiny chance that Byakuya will lose in the next chapter?

hope byakuya doesn't beat him easily next chap ... or doesn't beat him at all

Alright, I don't get Tsukishima's ability. How did he insert himself into the "past" of a block that has a history of a few minutes when shota created the battlefield? Being able to alter individuals pasts is hax and means that there should be a bunch of parallel universes now. I mean, with the current ability reveal, assuming that when he cut Inoue he actually changed her past putting him into it as the one who defeated Aizen, it's more than a matter of differing memories. His ability makes it so that it actually happened rather than altering memory; inserting his presence "physically" into the past of the victim, meaning that by cutting Inoue he actually made it so he was the one who defeated Aizen/ saved Rukia. Which makes no sense, because then it would be a case of conflicting realities with the reality Ichigo perceived, unless this is some Steins;Gate esque stuff where Ichigo was physically displaced into this alternate universe where Tsukishima actually accomplished everything Ichigo did with his (Ichigo's) old memories. Yeah, I'm confused.

It's not whether Tsuki alters memories or the very reality of his targets: his power can be used so that he him-bloody-self knows his enemies fighting style! For such a thing to happen, Tsuky needs at least to use his FB on himself, modifying his very past so that he would now know cpt betterthanu and his moves sickening well.

So, to sum it all up: he can change other people reality modifying their past, he can do the same thing with inanimate things rewriting their history, and he can change his very past, thus modifying his knowledge and god knows what else ... So, more briefly, it's basically the power to change reality modifying ad lib its past, and its a god class cheat! And by means of which mistake on earth can it be explained plainly as "altering the past of his target"? (That way it was introduced)

Come on, this just sucks. There were plenty of better ways to make this battle way  better!


Also, as already said, if he was this poweful in the first place, why didn't he show it from the start?


Kubo doesn't think his plot in detail beforehand, and that's what u get ..Ugly! =\

The only thing I can say about this chapter is : PENIS !

A sword that can befriend anything.

Where can I get me one of those?

Fai said:


To make it clear, its not memory manipulation. He litterally is writing the past of that object and that object only, theoretically replacing that object with alternate version of that object, without changing the timeline itself.

Its the same as to say - you have an apple on the table. I come and replace the table a fridge. Apple remains the same. everything in the room remains the same, but the there's no table now, but a fridge.

HE STATED IT AND GINJOU STATED IT previously - tsukishima is not just "manipulating memories" - since that can be counteracted. He is actually REWRITING the past of the objects and people he cuts.

It make a perfect sense, for now since the power does not have an official explanation, its the same as example above. tsukishima is essentially manipulating reality in terms of time and dimension in that he effectively replaces a part of current reality and current timeline with the version according to his wishes. Since every and any possibility theoretically  creates a parallel universe, he can pretty much bring any wished result into reality.

Tsukishima is literally a bookmark - he inserts himself into the "page" of the objects existence and interacts with it.

That is pretty much the only explanation going by what he said and what he did(that is, he reiterated again and again that to the people he cut those all events DID happen, he is not just replacing the memories)

In a sense, thats very similar to hogyoku - hogyoku manipulates the reality making even smallest things possible, as long as they are possible, Sushi's knuckles fucked with causality and probability of events, giriko affected the rules and laws of reality(time and space), Yukio and Riruka apparently manipulate the dimensions themselves and Ginjou's nature of power is yet to be truly seen.

The very basis of fullbring ability is bending the nature and laws of anything in reality itself. What varied were the methods on how its done and with what, however with Ichigo's power, the "with what" is no longer important.

Many people wondered on why Ginjou shared Ichigo's power - well its clear its not about STRENGTH, but about NATURE of power itself.  Every FB power in itself is haxxed and very dangerous in itself, however limited by their nature - a  limitation Ichigo's power nature denies, since ichigo's fb in nature, is all about manifesting things in the reality itself

Tsuki so far just happened to have the most haxxed and easy to put to use method to do that.

Yeah, I know. I was simply following through with the definition/ analogy the poster I was replying to presented. Either way, it's irrelevant and doesn't make any difference to the issue at hand. What of it? Tsukishima is able to transport everyone not cut by his sword into the parallel universe with them retaining their old memories. That's broken as hell and it doesn't make any sense. How the hell is he able to just magically make everyone go to this alternate world through just cutting one person without any visible signs of it? The definition about "alternate worlds" was the only way I could make a little sense out of the situation and ultimately it still isn't a very good explanation.


Also, you're entire explanation on fullbringing sounds like its just a pretext for Kubo to take shit out of his ass and present it as logical.Giriko (Bradley clone if you don't know who he is)'s HURP DURP giant ability as a result of bending reality? How exactly is this relevant to his ability again? Well, I guess he did affect the laws of reality because his ability didn't make any sense, but come on, that isn't an explanation. That's the same as saying his ability is bullshit.

Puty said:
Well, Aizen didn't say that he is Jesus so I guess it is still possible.


Except that both Ginjou and tsukishima pretty much FUCKING STATED TSUKI'S ABILITY BEING TIME MANIPULATION  at least twice and THE WHOLE POINT OF FB is affecting animate or inanimate objects, since going by shinto beliefs, everything has a soul.


reading comprehension.

looking forward how Byakuya will beat Tsukishima's ability, seems impossible to me but still wat to see it.:P

I just got to say Byakuya got owned there xD he'll still probably win though