Bleach Chapter 460 Discussion

Fai said:
Arashi89 said:
Fai said:
CyborgNinja said:
Mormegil said:
Kubo: OH NOEZ BLEACH IS IN THE BOTTOM 5! I'VE WRITTEN MYSELF INTO A CORNER. TIME TO BRING IN HITSUGAYA!



That's exactly what I was thinking when I saw Hitsugaya. When I looked at that group of Shinigami I noticed that all of them except Hitsugaya have previously fought Ichigo and had a crucial role in his development. Which makes me think that he was added just for the rankings, probably at the editor's suggestions, since Hitsugaya is the most popular Shinigami. But it's understandable, since rankings determine whether or not the magazine continues to publish the manga. Not that Bleach will be cancelled since it's already become too big of a franchise for something like that to happen, but still, it was  shameful for a popular manga like this to be ranked so low in the past months.

Hitsugaya is connected to Ichigo through Aizen.



Hitsugaya had VERY big reasons to want to take Aizen Down, Ichigo did it, Hitsugaya has every reason to support him for that...



Why? Because Hitsugaya is the only one that wants to bring down Aizen? What about the other members of SS, the Vizards and Ichigo's friends? Do they sympathize with him and his ideas? I don't think so.



That's a very filmsy reason. By that point, we should state that Yamamoto is connected through Shinji that is connected through Ukitake that is connected through Urahara. The character interations in Bleach don't work like that.

But so far only Shinji and Hitsugaya actually hated Aizen and Aizen made sure Hitsugaya wants to plain murder him in rage.



Thats different from the others to whom Aizen is just a mission, a rogue shinigami that needs to be stopped.



Also I am sure Ukitake is involved in some way - he is the one who handed that mysterious badge to Ichigo and so far all hints point to him being the only one in ss who actually knows what that damn thing is actually for.



Really?! Only Hitsugaya and Shinji had a sincere hatred for Aizen? Yamamoto was seething with rage against Aizen right from the start of the battle of Fake Karakura; I'm sure that Kira, Hisagi and Komamura were pissed that their friends betrayed them for Aizen therefore they hated Aizen by reflex, I still remember how angry Komamura was when Tousen was executed in front of his eyes by Aizen; not only Shinji hated Aizen, but also every single Vizard for condemning them to exile; and Ichigo's friends, well, Ulquiorra was an espada, i.e. Aizen's lackey, and we all know what he did to Orihime.



The only ones that could consider him just a plain rouge shinigami would be the marginal members of the SS, but seeing the massacre he did there I'm sure it became personal.



Also, what badge are you referring to? The one Ichigo utilized to summon his FB powers or another one?

Arashi89 said:
Hypno-girl said:




Also: Debate or get the fuck out.

This thread is not there for you to deny everything without basis and without proposing something else yourself.

You make fun of a lot of thing but you have absolutely nothing to deny it other than your opinion.

Please state what is actually wrong and WHY it is actually wrong. You seem really good at doing the former but when it come to the latter you are pretty much failling about everytime you try.

Then I bet you will answer this with a 'OMG you an idiot, i'm right but I won't say why you just have to guess yourself' in which case just do not answer please, i'll lose less time this way.





And finally, everyone here is actually debating, even Amenboy, and everyone is trying to bring his arguments. And we are not a vocal minority. We do not lack reading comprehension (which is just Fai's pretentious way to call someone a moron, i.e. everyone that disagrees with him), and we make fun of Bleach because we see it as it is: a joke. Irony and wit are the best ways to criticize something that you don't like. The only thing that you, especially Fai, have brought on this debate is preaching and smugness.

The ones that should get the fuck out are only you and Fai.







Arashi89 said:
Hypno-girl said:




If Kubo didn't care about the story and thought that bringing Hitsugaya would up his ranking then instead of the fabulous fullbring arc we had we would have had shitty bishie training.



Fai said:


except that Kubo more than once has said that he cares not about ratings and all that other stuff. her writes what he wants to.



@Hypno-girl: Now, the cases here are just 2: you're an absent-minded person, or you're shamelessly lying. Hitsugaya is the fanservice character, here for the public because they like it before anyone else. There have been countless chapters dedicated to him and his fights are always longer than any other shinigami. And for the record, remember the appearance of the capitains in this chapter (I hope you haven't forgotten it already)? A trick to boost the ranking of Bleach. Kubo is appealing to the fanboys, hoping that this will help him to get back on his feet.



@Fai: That's pure nonsense, plain and simple. Every manga publisher in Japan is a company with the aim of the profit first and foremost. If you don't agree to what the editors say, you get cancelled and go back to draw doujinshi. Considering the fact that just a few weeks ago Bleach was for the first time in the bottom 5 (the first time for one of the big 3) and it remained there for a while, it's no wonder that Kubo tried to return to his old ways, in order to return to the top ranking.



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At last anyone who all understood… I wonder sometimes if telepathy really is not for real.

amenboy972 said:


And second, In this last chapter I cannot just imagine, Itchigo with a new zanpakto and that he learns to use it. It is not logic !!!

More you forget he learnt to use his zanpakto during his hard training with Kisuke.





You are denying it based on the fact that you wouldn't like it, logic has nothing to do with how you actually deny it.

Worst case the focus could switch to some other character while Ichigo train, we do not need to see Ichigo train a second time of course.

Best case Ichigo already achieved control over his first zanpakuto, he should have no trouble to do the same with the other one.

It's like a bicycle, it's hard the first time but when you do it right, if you switch bicycle you will still do it right.

Ichigo is at the level where he can control reiatsu very well, he would have no problem to fight and subdue this new zanpakuto if that happen to be the case.



amenboy972 said:


and third during ten years I never saw a Shinigami with many different Zanpaktos

and more Rukia say in this chapter, even if Ginjo took the fullbring of Itchigo,

it stayed a quantity of reatsu within him.

So he has the same reatsu than before and the same powers in quality but not in quantity, maybe it is for this reason that his Zanpakto has a different shape now.





This is probably the most sensical thing you said so far so I guess I should congratulate you one this but this isn't enough yet.



-> Implying that Ichigo is normal

-> Implying that shinigami cannot by any mean change zanpakuto even by a science that actually has no boundary physic known by the reader.



The reason why his zanpakuto has a different shape now is because it didn't come from Ichigo getting shinigami power now.

It was most probably that way ever since Ichigo completed his dangai training, we just haven't seen his shikai since then but we know that his bankai actually changed.

Arashi89 said:
Fai said:
CyborgNinja said:
Mormegil said:
Kubo: OH NOEZ BLEACH IS IN THE BOTTOM 5! I'VE WRITTEN MYSELF INTO A CORNER. TIME TO BRING IN HITSUGAYA!



That's exactly what I was thinking when I saw Hitsugaya. When I looked at that group of Shinigami I noticed that all of them except Hitsugaya have previously fought Ichigo and had a crucial role in his development. Which makes me think that he was added just for the rankings, probably at the editor's suggestions, since Hitsugaya is the most popular Shinigami. But it's understandable, since rankings determine whether or not the magazine continues to publish the manga. Not that Bleach will be cancelled since it's already become too big of a franchise for something like that to happen, but still, it was  shameful for a popular manga like this to be ranked so low in the past months.

Hitsugaya is connected to Ichigo through Aizen.



Hitsugaya had VERY big reasons to want to take Aizen Down, Ichigo did it, Hitsugaya has every reason to support him for that...



Why? Because Hitsugaya is the only one that wants to bring down Aizen? What about the other members of SS, the Vizards and Ichigo's friends? Do they sympathize with him and his ideas? I don't think so.



That's a very filmsy reason. By that point, we should state that Yamamoto is connected through Shinji that is connected through Ukitake that is connected through Urahara. The character interations in Bleach don't work like that.

But so far only Shinji and Hitsugaya actually hated Aizen and Aizen made sure Hitsugaya wants to plain murder him in rage.



Thats different from the others to whom Aizen is just a mission, a rogue shinigami that needs to be stopped.



Also I am sure Ukitake is involved in some way - he is the one who handed that mysterious badge to Ichigo and so far all hints point to him being the only one in ss who actually knows what that damn thing is actually for.

Lol Ginjo's face at the end.

Wow, epic moment when Kenpachi and the rest came!! YEAH!!!!

Karhu said:
Fai said:


Dishy said:
Am I the only person who thinks that Kubo's art is just getting worse?

Yes you are. Kubo's art has majorly improved over the years, especially the facial expressions and how he uses shading. Yes he does not use backgrounds, but his art itself has been majorly improved from self-cartoonish one this manga started in. I'd say out of the HST, his art is the best.



Fai, you realize that you are the only one to say the opposite so far? And also, WTF am I reading here.



and you do realize, kind sir, that you are what we normal people call "vocal minority"? right?

Crimson_Cloud said:
It seems like if Bleach characters would do nothing but sit in the bed for all chapter people would still droll over this and call it epic.



If you were girl, I would confess my love right now.