Bleach Chapter 451 Discussion

Great chapter.

I think that Ginjo was just pretending to be a villain here (though I'll admit that he's been acting suspicious since his first appearance). Ginjo probably speculated/knows that one's emotional state can affect the speed of completing his/her fullbring (he is one of the most experienced fullbring users after all). And knowing that Ichigo is very protective of his friends, he probably played the villain and placed Ichigo in a desperate position to speed up or force the completion of his fullbring.

@lucjan, Fai: I edited out some of the flaming... it's almost okay without the name-calling. Try to keep it civil... I'm sure you'll know all the answers in a chapter or two anyway~

Wasabi said:
So what will happen if Kubo suddenly decides to not make Ginjou an actual villain? Will Fai finally go away or just say it was the bestest damn swerve he's seen in Bleach, etc?



Why should I care if Kubo actually managed to make it believable and made it work? However if it will be as half-assed as Kishi's  "tobi is madara w00t" trick was, then I would obviously complain. Its not like I hold some manga on pedestal above all criticism.  



And why should I go away? Its a free forum. Its a free country, Its a free world. if you don't like my posts, you are free to not read them.



But as of now, all clues do point at him being the villain. Not the badguy(barring Mayuri there are no badguys in bleach), but villain. This chapter included.

Fai said:
Rinji- said:


Uhh, Did u win the argument? :D



Anyone noticed how Ginjou is THIRD character to say that Ichigo makes too much noise?



First was Shinji.

Then was Aizen.

Now Ginjou says exact same thing,.



OOoooooh... I sense a nonexistent motif set by a CLEVER little troll called Kubo.;P

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                        Now I am sure Ginjou is villain. But that WAS slick on how he convinced Ichigo he is not.



Nice foreshadowing on cover too(Rain=despair, inoue and riruka's forming bond should make Riruka get over her own despair and make life easier) - Riruka most likely side with Ichigo and Inoue once FB's reveal their intentions.

I will wait to decide if Ginjou is bad or not till after this. If what he said was true, the way he garnered distrust till now was so he would not trust him for this moment. From now on he has no excuse for being sketchy anymore.

mundo said:
I agree with Fai here, this entire fight was to trick Ichigo (and the reader) into trusting Ginjou completley. I'm not so sure Ginjou is really a badguy, he might just have alterior motives, but hes definitly not to be trusted. Riruka's hesitancy and obvious discomfort whenever someone shows her kindness or friendship shows that she knows something is going to be done that wll screw them over, and that knowledge makes her more and more upset the closer she gets to Ichigo and Orihime. Xcution are either the stright up badguys, or more likely they're hiding something like if Ichigo absorbs their fullbring powers like they want him to, he'll die.



Oh and another really solid chapter. The past few months of Bleach have been really good.



i woudn't tyrst that  prick as far as i can throw him,  cause  ichigo  dad got his powers back and  it lokos like he used a difrent process , alos ther eis too mnaay pieces missing to this puzzle

babykeiji said:


But Kubo realizes, oh Bleach has profits still! Let's continue the story, get his powers back!!!!



Not really the reason. There are still many things to unravel. That's why the story continued.



babykeiji said:
LOL! I just hope there's really a meaning about this BLEACH.



There is.



babykeiji said:
A lot of characters now left out, and another characters introduced... Haiz...



They will appear on the right time as the story continue.