Bleach Chapter 451 Discussion

OK I must admit this chapter was awesome. I'm still not convinced Ginjo is on Ichigo's side though.

Fai said:
lucjan said:
Fai said:
lucjan said:
Fai said:


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                        Now I am sure Ginjou is villain. But that WAS slick on how he convinced Ichigo he is not.



Nice foreshadowing on cover too(Rain=despair, inoue and riruka's forming bond should make Riruka get over her own despair and make life easier) - Riruka most likely side with Ichigo and Inoue once FB's reveal their intentions.

Fai, did you even fucking read the chapter? No, I bet you read the shitty, skimped out spoilers so you could make it "first". Seriously, pull your head out of your ass. None of that happened.



I am sorry, but what?





i'll try to comment on your post part that does NOT sound as a hysterical cat thrown into a bath.



thats exactly what happened.



If ginjou does NOT convince you this chapter that he is badguy then nothing will. its quite clear he wanted to gain ichigo's trust this way.

"-_- ~facepalm~



First of all, you get the idea that Ginjou's evil from a couple of pages in the middle of the chapter. But you find out at the end that it was just a ploy to make Ichigo complete his fullbring. How somewould would conclude (AFTER READING THE WHOLE CHAPTER) that Ginjou is evil is beyond me. It's absolutely ridiculous.



Second of all, the only thing that even related to Riruka this chapter was the cover art, which wasn't covered by Mangastream (i.e, since Mangastream's the only site that's released the actual, full chapter, Riruka doesn't even belong in this discussion). Not to mention she was only on the cover page. Nothing else was noted about her.



AND I was exactly talking about the end of chapter. Sure it was also for fb reason, BUT ITS CLEAR THAT HE PULLED a "i am not a badguy" trick and got Ichigo's trust. If you can't grasp a simple concept then please facepalm while in front of mirror.



A good villain will either play a fool or a cliched fake villain to make hero drop his focus.



Let's make it simpled:

THIS WHOLE CHAPTER = Ginjou making Ichigo trust him for bad reasons.



ANd why excuse me from looking into cover for foreshadowing since every color bpage by kubo had foreshadowing for events to come. SOme of those did noteven come true yet(like divine dual-headed eagle) and some came in a volume or less (Ichigo's hollow2 form hinted at cover art). Let me cover it slowly so even you can understand:



RAIN = Sorrow and despair in bleach world.

Cover = Riruka and Inoue hiding from the rain implying their bond that formed last chapter will eventually make Riruka get over her despair like inoue did.

Hence: Foreshadowing that RIruka will join good guys once fbs reveal intentions.





Sometimes it seems like people like you just skim through the chapter without even trying to grasp the reasons behind events.



Oh and I am sorry i should have waited 50 minutes after chapter release even if no one started the thread, so little scared cats don't freak out. Now be happy I am not reporting your first post in this thread as flaming. I am sure someone else will though.



Uhh, Did u win the argument? :D

nice chapter i know Ginjou is a good guy

I agree with Fai here, this entire fight was to trick Ichigo (and the reader) into trusting Ginjou completley. I'm not so sure Ginjou is really a badguy, he might just have alterior motives, but hes definitly not to be trusted. Riruka's hesitancy and obvious discomfort whenever someone shows her kindness or friendship shows that she knows something is going to be done that wll screw them over, and that knowledge makes her more and more upset the closer she gets to Ichigo and Orihime. Xcution are either the stright up badguys, or more likely they're hiding something like if Ichigo absorbs their fullbring powers like they want him to, he'll die.



Oh and another really solid chapter. The past few months of Bleach have been really good.

^ i wish if mizuro was the one to restore ichigo powers and show his true identity after aizen arc instead a new group. that would have been more interesting and no one had vizards arc feeling.

KantonKageX said:
What do you know? Ichigo got his fullbring. How? He was STABBBED in the chest AGAIN!!!!

LOL! Didn't you know getting stabbed makes you stronger. xD

Random power up at the end check, Fai likes to troll Bleach, is the best manga in the world, so he can never be wrong, don't even talk to him.

Man...they are talking too much and not enough action...I want ichigo to go hollow already >:|