Bleach Chapter 451 Discussion
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- #13
lucjan said:
Fai said:
lucjan said:
Fai said:
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Now I am sure Ginjou is villain. But that WAS slick on how he convinced Ichigo he is not.
Nice foreshadowing on cover too(Rain=despair, inoue and riruka's forming bond should make Riruka get over her own despair and make life easier) - Riruka most likely side with Ichigo and Inoue once FB's reveal their intentions.
Fai, did you even read the chapter? No, I bet you read the shitty, skimped out spoilers so you could make it "first". None of that happened.
I am sorry, but what?
thats exactly what happened.
If ginjou does NOT convince you this chapter that he is badguy then nothing will. its quite clear he wanted to gain ichigo's trust this way.
"-_- ~facepalm~
First of all, you get the idea that Ginjou's evil from a couple of pages in the middle of the chapter. But you find out at the end that it was just a ploy to make Ichigo complete his fullbring. How somewould would conclude (AFTER READING THE WHOLE CHAPTER) that Ginjou is evil is beyond me. It's absolutely ridiculous.
Second of all, the only thing that even related to Riruka this chapter was the cover art, which wasn't covered by Mangastream (i.e, since Mangastream's the only site that's released the actual, full chapter, Riruka doesn't even belong in this discussion). Not to mention she was only on the cover page. Nothing else was noted about her.
AND I was exactly talking about the end of chapter. Sure it was also for fb reason, BUT ITS CLEAR THAT HE PULLED a "i am not a badguy" trick and got Ichigo's trust. If you can't grasp a simple concept then please facepalm while in front of mirror.
A good villain will either play a fool or a cliched fake villain to make hero drop his focus.
Let's make it simpled:
THIS WHOLE CHAPTER = Ginjou making Ichigo trust him for bad reasons.
ANd why excuse me from looking into cover for foreshadowing since every color bpage by kubo had foreshadowing for events to come. SOme of those did noteven come true yet(like divine dual-headed eagle) and some came in a volume or less (Ichigo's hollow2 form hinted at cover art). Let me cover it slowly so even you can understand:
RAIN = Sorrow and despair in bleach world.
Cover = Riruka and Inoue hiding from the rain implying their bond that formed last chapter will eventually make Riruka get over her despair like inoue did.
Hence: Foreshadowing that RIruka will join good guys once fbs reveal intentions.
Sometimes it seems like people like you just skim through the chapter without even trying to grasp the reasons behind events.
Oh and I am sorry i should have waited 50 minutes after chapter release even if no one started the thread, so little scared cats don't freak out. Now be happy I am not reporting your first post in this thread as flaming. I am sure someone else will though.
I'll admit that Ginjou probably has a dark side to him, but that he's a villain? Villain's are generally introduced in the way you're implying through pure kindness, as to completely throw off the other character. Obviously Ginjou didn't give off that impression, as Ichigo even stated that he hadn't trusted him to begin with.
A good villain will generally resort to trickery. I can guarantee that Ginjou's not the villain you think he is. It would make no sense.
This whole chapter was focused on a variety of things, such as Ichigo's progression, and Ginjou's personality. Trust was merely the sideline.
Your predictions are absolutely outlandish, that's why. And notice how all the past cover's only imply aesthetic predictions?
I read the chapter twice. Everything you said is completely too out there. It's all way too predictable, and ridiculous. And even though Kubo may be poor from time to time on his writing, that doesn't mean he's completely hopeless.
- #14
KidGrim said:
Thought hollow Ichigo was back for a minute then when he suddenly transformed like that.
- #15
I personally thing that Ginjou is actually Ichigo from a bad future where cats have taken over the world trying to right his wrongs and save the planet. I will continue to make up predictions this stupid and crazy until Kubo gives me a reason to care about this arc. Also if that IS what Ginjou is then this manga would get so much better so fast.
Seriously I'm halfway towards not reading Bleach any more but he keeps hinting at Rukia coming back. Man remember when Rukia was like almost a main character? Those were the days.
This seems legit.
This was a good chapter, considering, but I'm still not particularly impressed by this arc. Not one likeable character has been introduced. If it came down to it, with all these "Hey, I'm sort of a human, or maybe I'm a hollow, maybe I'm both, maybe I'm neither, maybe I just have cool powers and you should stop questioning my authority" characters, I'd pick the vaizards as my favorites. Fullbringers are a snooze so far. Am I the only person who found the dollhouse thing a bit ridiculous? Come on, man.
And, if we're going to go there, I do miss all the Soul Society characters. But that's to be expected, I guess. The Urahara business seems to be suggesting that at least one of them will pop up again sometime. Looking back on the journey that is Bleach, I never much cared for Karakura Town-centric episodes, anyway. Bah humbug.
