Mahou Sensei Negima! Chapter 315 Discussion
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- #11
Ginga-Bishoujo said:
I mean, yeah if you turn the corner real fast some thing may look up like thing that happened in dragonball, but you are mostly pusshing it.
Honestly. The whole "it didn't invent it" argument isn't getting you anywhere.
What's more influential? Some random shounen series pre-1985, or Dragon Ball?
The demonic animal transformation which enables a power increase -> You got to be completely retarded for thinking dragonball invented this.
Name a popular pre-Dragon Ball series that used this plot device.
Training with a former ennemy -> You also got to be completely retarded for thinking dragonball invented this.
Name a popular pre-Dragon Ball series that used this plot device.
About turning to stone when you've used all your power, you gotta remind me where this was in Negima because the only stone transformation I've seen was caused by an acual spell.
Did the past 10 chapters not happen? Negi went much too far with his power which caused him to turn to stone. He drove himself into the ground, exactly as Vegeta did in his last attack against Majin Buu. It was far from petrification caused by a spell.
The point is not if an anime did it before, it is that the concept existed before.
If you just try to look it up a little in Japan's folklore there is many tales of youkai that are closer of an animal than a human, and there is also tales of hybrid being stronger than both human and these original youkai. Not only in anime but in Japan's culture, a beast is a symbol of strengh and a man turning into a beast is a man that get stronger.
The tale of the monkey Sangoku is one of them, which Dragonball was inspired from, because yes Dragonball was inspired from something existing.
Anime is just another medium to deliver a story and stories existed way before Tv was created.
Now I think it is getting anoying at all these people worshiping DB like it was the messiah of anime, like if it never existed then most of the thing now wouldn't exist, this is total false and a garbage argument.
Negi never turned to stone, he lost conciousness and that is all as he was stated to breath and have a pulse. You are conveniently assuming things to make your argument look valid.
- #12
Wait... what? It seems I didn't quite get it in the last chapter, but did the "original" fate turned traitor? Or at least, did he attack one of the other Fates? :o wtf?!
It was quite easy to understand tough.
Tertium (Fate), the averruncus of earth, was fighting Negi's group and was defeated and when the group was fleeing the battlefield the other averruncus came up.
Sextum, the averruncus of water, was dealing with the group that was stationed where Dynamis was
Quintum, the averruncus of wind, was dealing with the group that defeated Fate
Quartum, the averruncus of fire, was dealing with the escape route group.
Negi awakened, owned Sextum in one blow and went to save the escape route group that is stationned lower in the tower.
At the same time Fate also came back to his sense and decided to side with Negi's group for now and is actually fighting Quintum.
Fate is obviously forcing himself, the blow lent by Chachamaru's artefact was no little.
Fate wish for a fair fight with Negi. Some people would say that he is betraying his side but it is not true. Fate is persuaded that his path is better than Negi's and he want to fight it out. He want to give his all and crush his hope, he is planning to win but he do not want to use cowardly trick to do so.
He'll prove to him fair and square that his idealist mind will only bring destruction to the world. This is the whole realist vs idealist the usual shounen manga bring up, of course the idealist will most probably win, which means Negi.
Talking about Negi, he's starting to be a little broken but well I like it this way.
- #13
I'm really looking for an all out battle between Tertium and Quintum, just because two bad guys fighting each other is interesting to think about.
Best chapter in my opinion we've had in a while. Currently they have less than 20 minutes left until the activation of the destruction of the magic world. I estimate they have about 14 or so minutes left at the current end of the chapter. Negi should be able to make a last minute save, a bit cliche-ish but it's the matter of how he does it that makes us keep reading.
- #15
Ginga-Bishoujo said:
Some thing do ressemble DB, some don't.
I agree with blopa on this one, you are pushing it a little too much.
Might as well say it is a rip off of bleach since it has swordfight.
Since when did I say it was a rip off? I was drawing similarities. Learn the difference.
My bad on the word used.
Negima still doesn't ressemble bleach because it has swordfight, my point is still valid.
- #16
@Onibokusu: - The demonic power-up transformation comes from the legend of werewolves, but dunno if someone did a manga about it before.
- Negi was not turned into stone, he was turned into... well, I don't know XD, but he moved a little while under that condition, so was not petrification. And slow petrification would have killed him like almost happened in the Kyoto arc. Also do note that Negi did not use all of his power, he was consumed by the darkness. It's like his body was perfectly fine but at the same time was paralized by the embodiment of his psychological traumas... or something similar to that.
- I do not know of a pre-Dragon Ball manga as focused on training as Dragon Ball was, so being with an enemy or not, that and the hair change are probably traits that started there (also, I'm too lazy to check Astroboy for those kind of things). Although right now those have been used even for mahou shoujo series XD
Still , I believe you have to look too hard to see the comparison you made between this arc and Cell's arc. Specially since Negima role characters take much more part in the story than Dragon Ball (Z) role characters, and you skipped them all in your scenario.
- #17
Ginga-Bishoujo said:
Onibokusu said:
Ginga-Bishoujo said:
Some thing do ressemble DB, some don't.
I agree with blopa on this one, you are pushing it a little too much.
Might as well say it is a rip off of bleach since it has swordfight.
Since when did I say it was a rip off? I was drawing similarities. Learn the difference.
My bad on the word used.
Negima still doesn't ressemble bleach because it has swordfight, my point is still valid.
You didn't make a point, considering your completely simplistic and completely different "point" is nothing compared to the similarity I drew with Dragon Ball.
Dragon Ball is the mac daddy of shounen. If you still can't see the similarities (the hair extensions, the demonic animal transformation which enables a power increase, turning to stone when you've used up all your power, training with a former enemy, etc etc), you have got to be completely retarded.
I quote myself.
Some thing do ressemble DB, some don't.
I do agree that the hair getting longer is a clear reference to dragonball but that's about end there (Note the about which don't mean completely)
The demonic animal transformation which enables a power increase -> You got to be completely retarded for thinking dragonball invented this.
Training with a former ennemy -> You also got to be completely retarded for thinking dragonball invented this.
About turning to stone when you've used all your power, you gotta remind me where this was in Negima because the only stone transformation I've seen was caused by an acual spell.
If you mean that it look like dragonball because there is petrification in both then you are wrong, petrification wasn't invented by dragonball as well.
I mean, yeah if you turn the corner real fast some thing may look up like thing that happened in dragonball, but you are mostly pusshing it.