D.Gray-man Chapter 218 Discussion

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  • #115
exorcist-1 said:


and Allen? Allen is now Nea

LInk is the 14th.





Nea is the 14th, and he inside allen.

"ignore walker. he requires help.

he the 14th".

http://img.batoto.net/comics/2012/04/05/d/read4f7d7f0a44853/img000023.png



Why to say it to LINK if he is the 14th? it's doesn't make any sense.

LINK is probably just the 14th man who use the power of Zu Mei Chang.
 
  • #116
Jasdavid can split himself in two characters, maybe the Earl has the same power.

When Allen resurrected Mana Walker, he did it with the Earl's powers. So the at this moment the Earl was already Mana Campbell.

I don't think the Earl taugh Mana Walker the way to drive the ark. And Mana Walker teach it to Allen during his life. So Mana Walker and Mana Campbell had the same memory, but not the same personnality. It's maybe why the Earl didn't kill Allen when he was a kid.
 
  • #117
The Earl's face... that caught my attention more than anything else.

But I'm still really confused, I mean Allen can't be Nea & Mana right?
 
  • #118
It all makes perfectly fine sense. Sadly, hiatuses have led to people forgetting things, and certain unclear/incorrect translations have confused people.



The Earl's human form was shown AGES ago, before the North American incident and then a couple more times since then. Allen is NOT Mana, though his eye might be connected to him or house part of his soul or something like that. There is a strong possibility that the Earl is Mana, or they are at least very deeply connected. If so, this will probably be revealed soon.
 
  • #119
That Mana was "with" Nea up until the end means nothing if Mana and the Earl occupy the same body. xD



Maybe if I explain more, you'll see what I mean. If you agree or not after that is up to you.



1. The way those of us who believe the Mana = Earl theory see it is that Mana 35 years ago was just like Allen is right now: struggling to keep the Noah memory *away* and stay a regular human.



2. Nea and Mana tried to run away from the other Noah clan members, but as we've been seeing with Allen, it's impossible for a Noah to hide from the other Noah... so Nea had to fight to protect Mana. Unfortunately, despite all that, the Earl gained enough control to finally kill Nea.



3. Obviously Mana came back after Nea died, but remember what Cross said? Mana was never the same after his brother died and had probably gone insane. Could it be that Mana lost control, let the Earl kill his (mother and) brother, and is so wracked with guilt (Allen's hallucination of Mana from Nea's memory in 212: "Do you hate me?" AND 218; Earl hallucinates Mana saying "Nea... I am sorry, Nea..."). What did we just see in chapter 218? The Earl is insane too! Coincidence yes, but there are a *LOT* of these "coincidences" going on. What did we see in chapter 187 (and then again at least one more time during the NA Incident)? The Earl has a fond memory of, and feelings for, Nea that resemble Mana's likely feelings about his younger brother. (The Earl even *calls* the 14th his brother at at least one point-- I personally think that's out of his *confusion* rather than it having to do with them both being Noahs.) *Looks* like Hoshino could be giving signs that Mana is still fighting back from deep within the Earl's mind.



Here are some subtle yet compelling hints:

a) In chapter 205, Road said Nea "fought for Mana."

b) and that's after quoting his last words for Mana



See both here:

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/d_gray_man/c205/26.html

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/d_gray_man/c205/27.html



"But it's a secret," she says before disappearing. So what's the secret? Maybe it's the same thing to do with the 14th that she told Wisely to shut up about in chapter 187, because it's a "private matter." :>



It could also be what Road and the Earl are talking about where they first appear in chapter 188:

http://img1.d-gray-man.com/image.php?id=188&what=18

http://img1.d-gray-man.com/image.php?id=188&what=19



Now check out what the Earl says just two pages later):

http://www.d-gray-man.com/manga/image.php?id=188&what=21



"I as the Millennium Earl can't stop..." and "I can't allow myself to stop, no matter what."



Sound familiar?! Remember, what Road said in 205? These were Nea's *last words* and they were for *Mana.*



(**Note: Most sites have that translation that says he must "keep standing," which makes no sense in context, regardless of whether you believe this theory or not. I think that's gotten people very confused...**)



These sorts of subtle hints, once you start to notice them, are everywhere!



4. In chapter 214, Nea says he'll keep his promise to Mana. We think Nea promised that if Mana became the Earl for good, he would kill him (like Kanda intends to do if Allen "permanently" becomes Nea, though we know that won't likely happen) and become the new Earl (which Nea says he's going to do in chapter 188, I believe).



So to us, these "secret" words, and the rest of the "private matter" between the Earl and the 14th is looking more and more like the Earl = Mana, and Nea chose to take Mana's side instead of joining the Earl. We think because he's clearly gone quite insane-- probably from the grief over killing his own brother-- the Earl's mind is just too *scrambled* to remember things clearly, much like Allen's too scrambled to remember 35 years ago, much to the 14th's chagrin.



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BTW I may have spoken too soon about the twins being one person (in the present)! You may be right about that one. Except I think that what it might be, as others I've discussed it with think, is that 7000 years ago they *were* two people, but every time they reincarnated, they were born from a single regular human. So ORIGINALLY they were two people, but because their Noah power is shared, they always *reincarnate from one person.* I still think the picture should have matched the text then, but whatever. :D
 
  • #120
This chapter makes me LOL for the 1st half of the chapter and make my mind confused after reading the second half of the chapter.



The first half basically the EARL loses himself and went rampage on Allen (or Nea in Earl's point of view). Earl using Balloon to attack Allen!!! That's quite epic!!!xD

Allen stating the Earl's behaviour and the science division invention still hunts him really makes me LOL!

A few action scene which is quite fast and cool.

I'm quite shock in the second half of the chapter.

1. the Earl actually forgot who Mana is, I guess that's why Mana still can survive 30+ years.

2. Allen and Earl fuses together

3. The person Road's holding. Some people here and other website say its mana but I'm not sure about it and I do not think so as the person looks like a lady from that panel.

4. The person spying behind the door. Someone here mentioned its Bookman which I think its probably the case because he did had a Bookman stare IMO and its 35 years ago.

5. Earl saying "Mana D Campbell", does it mean Mana's true name is Mana D Campbell since Mana and Nea are in Campbell family stated in chp 214. But that's also the page which I loved the most in this chapter.



Some people here and other website says Allen does not lool like Allen but I'm not sure about it and I think its still Allen because he seems like he does not understand the flashback. If its Nea, he most likely knows it.

And the last page, Earl finally remember Mana. Also some people here and other website says the Earl calling Allen 'Mana' but I do not that's the case as the Earl just remember who Mana is since he forgotten Mana.



In all, a short but awesome chapter. This chapter gives me a teaser trailer feel chapter where it give a few flashback to peek readers interest
 
  • #121
Everyone is overlooking something VERY VERY VERY important. One of the last lines in the chapter, the earl says: "Mana" is the cause of everything.

Why would "Mana" be in quotes? It's as if it's a false.

What if the Mana Allen knew and grew up with wasn't actually "Mana Walker".

What if there are several Mana's.

We know of Mana Walker (the supposed one who took care of Allen due to him being the only Mana we think we know). But again, what if that wasn't him. It was a fake Mana Walker.

What if the one who took care of Allen was actually Nea.

During the flashback scene, there were 4 people:

Road

The man Road was holding.

Nea.

The Earl.

The Earl also kills the mother of Nea (who the Earl calls "Mana D. Campbell"). He states that "everything's gone back to the way it was". It implies that there was a time before Nea was the fourteenth and the Earl was the Earl. What if they're siblings? What if they were orphans. The time before would be when there was no mother and perhaps they each took care of themselves (or something).

The reason they'd be brothers is because the Earl is Mana D. Campbell.

The Earl calls Nea "Mana D. Campbell" could be a way for him to allow Nea to escape.

If the Earl wanted to kill Nea he would have done it when Nea showed up after the Earl killed the mother.

Also, the Earl just watched the betrayal happen, he could have stopped it if he wanted it to be stopped.



Later on (or at some other point before meeting Allen), Nea decided to change the alias a second time from "Mana D. Campbell" to "Mana Walker" in order to remove his ties to the Earl.



The original Mana D. Campbell is the Earl.

The Mana Walker Allen knows is Nea.



What about the guy Road was holding?

He looks a lot like Nea.

Perhaps he was another brother of Nea and Mana (not important)

The man took on the name Nea and was one day killed.

Feeling guilty (or something) Nea acted strangely the day he was killed (stated by Cross that Mana, or Nea I guess, acted strangely on that day).

The man was a noah and he survived Nea's betrayal, but, to avoid suspicion, him, Nea, and Mana allowed him to live and one day be killed. Nea most likely agreed to the plan reluctantly to avoid being killed and later on felt the aforementioned guilt.

Nea's mission became to find a suitable host for his memory under the guise of "Mana D. Campbell".

Mana's mission was to act as the Earl (because he is the Earl).

The remaining noah's mission was to die under the guise of "Nea".

If noah's memories can be transferred to new hosts, what if it could also be transferred between noah's through some method? Maybe not transferred, but what if they can remove it themselves?

The death of the remaining noah was the signal for Nea to remove most of his memories and put them into the new host (allen). Allen's innocence prevented the memories from awakening for an extended period of time which is what Nea and Mana wanted (most likely for strength or something).

Cross was also incorporated in this though. Nea knew they would need someone to take care of and raise the host after he died (Nea most likely wanted to die after all the shit that's happened). That would be Cross. The one who killed Nea could have been hired by Nea and Cross (or perhaps one of Cross' reformed akuma).



Nea did something though. Nea didn't transfer the memories of any of this to Allen.

Zu Mei Chang receives these memories (not in his brain but in a physical form of some kind) and in order to save Link, Zu Mei had to implant the memories in Link explaining the line "I meant to save you but I ended up turning you into the 14th" (or something).



So...

Mana D. Campbell is the Earl.

Nea becomes Mana D. Campbell.

The remaining noah Road was holding becomes Nea.



and Allen? Allen is now Nea

LInk is the 14th.



"But aren't Nea and the 14th the same?" you ask yourself.

Yes and no.

Allen only receives the memories of Nea, but only Nea's personality (or whatever is inside Allen) remembers.

Link receives the memories pertaining to the 14th, not to Nea.
 
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