D.Gray-man Chapter 218 Discussion
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andrewsch5658 said:
This chapter makes me LOL for the 1st half of the chapter and make my mind confused after reading the second half of the chapter.
The first half basically the EARL loses himself and went rampage on Allen (or Nea in Earl's point of view). Earl using Balloon to attack Allen!!! That's quite epic!!!xD
Allen stating the Earl's behaviour and the science division invention still hunts him really makes me LOL!
A few action scene which is quite fast and cool.
I'm quite shock in the second half of the chapter.
1. the Earl actually forgot who Mana is, I guess that's why Mana still can survive 30+ years.
2. Allen and Earl fuses together
3. The person Road's holding. Some people here and other website say its mana but I'm not sure about it and I do not think so as the person looks like a lady from that panel.
4. The person spying behind the door. Someone here mentioned its Bookman which I think its probably the case because he did had a Bookman stare IMO and its 35 years ago.
5. Earl saying "Mana D Campbell", does it mean Mana's true name is Mana D Campbell since Mana and Nea are in Campbell family stated in chp 214. But that's also the page which I loved the most in this chapter.
Some people here and other website says Allen does not lool like Allen but I'm not sure about it and I think its still Allen because he seems like he does not understand the flashback. If its Nea, he most likely knows it.
And the last page, Earl finally remember Mana. Also some people here and other website says the Earl calling Allen 'Mana' but I do not that's the case as the Earl just remember who Mana is since he forgotten Mana.
In all, a short but awesome chapter. This chapter gives me a teaser trailer feel chapter where it give a few flashback to peek readers interest
I would guess that the person Road was holding was a Noah Nea killed, as Nea was towering over them.
Yea. I am thinking its either a Noah from the past or probably a family member.
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In the chapter 187, we can the real form of the Earl (with a sword) and 12 apostles on his side, so I think Jasdavid is the real form of the 10th and the 11th.There are 12 apostles by the Earl because "the 14th" is not included with them. Wisely even says "the memories of the second to the 13th apostle." (notice that from 2 to 13 = twelve apostles)
Anyway, that's new. I've never ever heard of anyone trying to claim the 10th and 11th Noah disciples were actually one person before. I'm pretty sure they themselves state on the Ark that they can *become* one person and not that they're reverting to their "true self" by becoming one woman. The Noahs are numbered for *real* people from 7k years ago. It makes no sense to count a single "real" person twice-- they may not have even had powers yet when they were numbered! But most importantly, if they're Noahs of "Bonds," then their power should be to *bond together* and not to *divide/separate* from each other. I'm going to stick with the general consensus, and the way I believe Hoshino has always described them-- as twins.
Again, you're the first person I've seen try to claim there are *two* Manas. Occam's Razor: The most obvious conclusion everyone else I've discussed this with has automatically come to is that the name "Walker" was mistaken, just like the name "Allen" was apparently a "mistake" (according to Cross). We don't have enough evidence to rule it out yet but I can say for now that having two Manas is very convoluted and highly unnecessary. Not only is there need of evidence for that, there's need of a reason for there to be two of them.
Now, for the third time, rather than just saying you disagree or ignoring them, please properly refute the points I've provided. I'll repeat them below, and highlight some more:
1. Earl has a flashback that corresponds to memories that would fit the Mana of 35 years ago. (ch 187).
2. The Earl calls Mana and Nea's Campbell's mother "Okaasama," a very polite term, which strongly implies he sees her as his own mother. (Ch 218)
3. Mana's childhood illness suspiciously resembles the deep sleep before becoming a Noah
4. Cross talks about Mana and Nea being brothers but he calls them "Walker," if anything at all. Yet in the flashback in chapter 214, Nea talks to their mother about Mana and the Campbell family. Most people take this as a pretty good indication there's a naming discrepancy, and not that there are multiple Manas.The chapters you gave me don't prove Mana Walker = Mana Campbell. And more in the chapter 187, Wisley said the Earl has lived during 7000 years whence the name "the Millennium Earl", so we have two characters (two Mana), because Mana Walker is dead.Wisely didn't say HOW the Earl lived for 7000 years. If the Earl is partially based on the Count of Saint Germain, as Wikipedia states, he can easily enjoy the same kind of immortality as in the legend of the Count: via passing the same consciousness through multiple bodies.En the chapter 187 we can see the Earl think about Nea but not Allen. So Mana Walker isn't Mana Campbell but they both can drive the Ark for a unknown reason.What difference does it make if he thinks about Allen? It's even been said that Mana was a little crazy after his dog died and that he named Allen (formerly nameless and known as "Red" because of his red arm) after the dog because he thought Allen *was* the dog. Names are not that reliable in this story. I mean look at Allen's dream in chapter 184. Every time Mana calls his "name," it changes more and more away from Allen.
- #9
One theory is that Allen is actually the original Allen's body with Mana's soul. So when Allen tried to bring Mana back, somehow Allen's soul disappeared or died and Mana's took it over, or the Allen we know is actually a strange sort of akuma. No one's ever tried to make an akuma out of an parasitic exorcist, so maybe somehow the innocence purified the akuma and made him seem like a human. Then Mana falsified his memories to deal with the fact that Allen was dead and he was now living in his body. If you remember, the original Allen from Zone, Robin, was an akuma. That would also explain why Allen was remembering some of Mana's memories. He even descrided them as feeling like flashbacks. Also, Road was holding Mana, so if Road somehow knew Allen was Mana, it would explain her infatuation with him. Then somehow Allen was back 35 years ago... Nea described him as a friend, so maybe they were friends and Allen when Allen offered his body, somehow he was later reborn as an exorcist...
I don't know... It all seems kind of far-fetched. I might be reading too much fanfiction. But then again, I can't think of anything else that makes much sense...
I think Hoshino has forgotten about Lavi and Bookman. I seriously don't know how they're going to play into all this, but I have a feeling that Lavi is going to run away... and I also want to know where the heck Road is.
- #10
I wonder how popular D.Gray Man is in Japan right now. I mean, if you took this manga independently and separate from the story that's covered in the anime, this manga probably wouldn't last very long before it was cancelled.
- #11
Aw man, I thought something was off... too bad. Hope she gets well soon. Wonder what magazine it might move to though. This could be another long wait for the next chapter.
Although it seems legit (and I wouldn't doubt it the way things have been going), I haven't found the news anywhere else. Looks like Shueshia has dropped Hoshino completely and she'll have to get picked up by another publisher if she wishes to continue DGM.
- #12
"We have one of those people who are out to fulfill the wishes of the Fourteenth. He's very old. He came to us for protection because he feared the Earl would kill him."
Here's an image from chapter 137 by a scanlator who got that part right:
- #13
Is this the end of D.gray man. I have waited for 9 months or more i think and i'm tired of waiting
I have been waiting for 2+ years since chapter 218 came out. Although it has been announced in Jump SQ that the series was cancelled; the Instagram account of Hoshino and related rumors made me be more optimistic. Hope it's true and we get to see the ending in some way: does not have to be manga. I'm ok with any format, I just wanna learn the ending.