D.Gray-man Chapter 218 Discussion

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  • #34
I'm trying to figure out the de aging part of Allen..



Is it an ability which his innocence is capable of? the Allen who was 35 years ago was a boy or a young man  according to:

http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/206/10  "not a 10 year old kid"  so this means that he became younger maybe with the help of innocence..Then started growing again after Mana's death..But why only then?? Is it the effect of Mana's curse?



Cross says that he never saw him as a kid which maybe implies that he knew him when he was older:

http://www.mangareader.net/dgray-man/206/9



So, is the Manga's title "D.Gray-Man" refers to  "Dorian Grey man" which is capable of defying time thus the prophesy of Allen Walker being the one who stops time??



I re watched the anime and finished reading the manga recently so all kind of ideas are popping up in my mind.



I really wish for a continuation to put me at ease..

But non the less re reading and watching the whole thing did cast more light on everything.
 
  • #35
Hmmm, I understood that Mana drives Earl crazy somehow, obviously he did something that ruined something for Earl, and that is somehow connected to Noahs. The second half was totally incomprehensible, so I guess it's just a plot twist that is supposed to rape our minds until next chapters.
 
  • #36
Yes, you can compare those images to chapter 206 (see my whole post on the page before for links) where there's a slight glimpse of Mana's real face (no clown make-up), and it's from Cross' POV. He has the same hat, sideburns, beard, and moustache.



Also, because 219 is delayed, I recently read the last D.Gray-Man Reverse novel chapter (which is canon), about Mana and Allen. Among other hints, it describes Mana having "golden eyes" twice (it's his most distinguishing feature to the little boy "Red," now known as Allen)-- like a Noah! --and calls him a "broken puppet" with "cut strings" or similar, three different times. I consider the "puppet" thing significant because "puppet" and "doll" are both "ningyou" (人形) in Japanese, and in chapter 198, Nea calls both Allen and the Earl "ningyou." (Which also reminds me how when the Earl and Allen in his Crown Clown form meet in Edo, they're compared as clowns-- like *Mana* and Allen were clowns.) There's more from that novel chapter, but it'd spoil it for those who might want to read. (imo it's worth reading, but very very sad.) Keep in mind, a possible alternate title to D.Gray-Man was "Dolls." So I suspect that the "doll" and "puppet" thing is very significant.



And this is only the *latest* stuff I've noticed. Taking all of it together, that is one heck of a series of coincidences. So I'm certain Mana is at *least* a Noah like Nea, if not the Earl himself.
 
  • #37
oh DGM. I can always rely on on you for bringing me the best quality confusing mindfuck possible.



Can't wait to see the explanation of this.
 
  • #38
Actually it might be bad translation since i watched the subbed version since i don't speak Japanese but in episode 83 when they fuse, and swat krory away they explain that they were originally a single/one noah, in the manga again might be bad translation in 103 in that say scene (its manga 103 i believe) after fusing jasdevi explains basically the same thing explaining that the two are one noah.



Now with that said i had watched this anime a long time ago but it had stopped airing, a few years back i found it on netflix and i do't recall if it went all the way up to 51 then but now i notice it does on netflix, anyway long story short i went up to 51 on netflix watched the rest subbed from a streaming site, and now i want to move on to the manga to she what happens next, however im noticing so many people having difficulty figuring out what really going on and there seems to be so many confusion that holes are forming, one hole for me is krory's ability when he fought jadevi i would think the author would have gone the root of making what happened when krory blood left his body a kind of innocence evolution/activation/survival as with Allen and Lenalee, after all who can really fight consciously without any blood in there body and who can fight as blood with no heart or no brain. I know he isn't a main character like Allen and Lenalee but after that i really think his innocence should have evolved as there's did, a next issue is Allen and Lenalee are the only ones shown to have forced there innocence to 100% activation, i had really expected to see the others do the same to fight the Noah clan in the ark as Tikki and just a few lv 3 akuma had beaten general yeegar so easily, it also makes me wonder if it was the forced 100% activation that allowed Allen's and Lenalee's innocence to jump start there evolution.



I know this is getting long but just bear with me alittle longer (and sorry for any typo or grammar errors) the whole Allen Noah genes thing seems rather foolish though i get what the author is doing, it has certainly be done before (think about the whole Underworld Hybrid warewolf vampire thing) but innocence is deadly to Noah's genes especially Allens' as he had sought to exorcise the Noah genes from Tikki how can Noah genes be following through his body the same time his innocence is doing the same thing.



Anyway thanks for reading i know that must have been hard with all my potential errors, so basically does the mana address these points and make them more believe able/ come together better, and with all the difficulties so many, maybe even you yourself might have understanding what is going on, is it really worth getting into the manga or am i going to end up disappointed like naruto shippuden.
 
  • #39
lior, that makes sense too i suppose. I'm still confused vaguely with Link. I'm starting to think not.
 
  • #40
Damn, now the wait begins...it's been a year huh?



Manaaaaaaaa
 
  • #41
We all never understood it.



Tbh, I thought Mana = Earl, but that seems... impossibru.



I DONT GET A SINGLE THING???
 
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