Fairy Tail Chapter 490 Discussion

Aiyen said:
I've never seen fans of any manga or anime series so desperate for a character death 😂 You guys are so pathetic. Every other YouTube video reviewing FT has "MAJOR CHARACTER DEATH(?!?) in the title lol.



You people have been reading FT for how long?

Yeah. I agree with you

Of course he was gonna come back, now I wanna see what Mashima will use as a excuse for Gajeel's return, until then I won't say much about it, and also what's up with Zere there? Eileen's spell was pretty good, gotta give probs to that, so pretty decent chapter.

lol as expected Gajeel is alive



and wow Zera is now real and not just an illusion that only Mavis suppose to see?

frostmourn said:


Yep, that's one of my points I tried to make when I mentioned Mard, thanks for properly presenting it :)



One of the main morals of the series is feels and love.



But Hiro respects these aspects only for Natsu, Lucy and Erza. What happened to the feelings of:

Future Rouge (lost everything he cared for, became ready to sacrifice anything to stop Acnologia).

Won´t argue with you here, that´s some thin ice there, if you like him as a villain feel free. I don´t remember him well enough.

frostmourn said:


Mard Geer (the guy legit didn't want anything to do with humans, just wanted to revive his friend/mentor and kill Zeref; went against fairy tail cause they blocked his ways), then his emotions for shitted on this arc (465) ; simultaneously making entire Tartarus arc pointless.



To be fair, Hiro pointed out several times how the demons don´t feel. How they´re empty because theý´ve been created out of ether (nothingness) and that their curses are not fueled through positive emotions like love but through malice.

He didn´t leave any room for interpretation, although it´s contradictory how most of them have been shown to display several different emotions through their facial expressions. Despair and fear just to name two.





frostmourn said:


Lissana, got her partner stolen by someone  who came to his life just 1 month back, while she alone supported and have encouragement to Natsu for years till they were 16 when every other member of the guild mocked and belittled him; and even developed mutual runabouts romantic feelings with each other. Natsu didn't even have feelings for Lucy, the entire thing appears forced AF now.

Kyouka's and Sayla's loyalty to Zeref and each other. Erza won because she's erza and her feelings were stronger? BS, kyouka's feelings were definitely stronger there.



I 100% agree that the whole handling of this plotline is horseshit, nonetheless I wanna point out that their relationship wasn´t described as romantic in the Manga, more like a childhood crush. The Anime consistently kept adding content to this plotline, that blew it out of proportion.

Neither was Natsu treated badly within the guild, that´s Anime bullshit too.

I´ve also gotta point out that the whole rumor about Lisanna being brought back, because of the director of the Anime, is just a rumor, developed by fanshippers.

Fact is, Hiro Mashima brought Lisanna back at his own request.

I´m inclined to think that he watched/read Naruto one day and thought.Yes I´ve gotta add that love trangle into my series too.

frostmourn said:


There are multiple other instances where the morals for his series are contradicted cause they don't matter to sidecharacters (Jacob saving Brandish and Marin, cobra getting cheap shotted by Erza for Kinana etc)



Naruto follows similar morals too, but the difference is kishi tries to respect other character's morals too: pain's feels, madara's feels, obito's feels (LOL) etc



I don´wanna open that can of worms so I´ll make it short.

That´s because everyone who prefers good storytelling over cute girls doing sexy things in tight revealing clothes considers Naruto the better Manga.

metsujin said:


Well even some fights in this arc are debateable, like Erza vs. Ajeel, Laxus vs. Wahl, Wendy & Cheria vs. DiMaria. Tho the others are trash to say the least, especially Neinheart and forgot his name the one Natsu and Lucy defeated, very disappointing. Gajeel's fight was... somewhat okay, and God Serena KO-ed by Acnologia, like it or not, that's probably the most 'legit' way, since Acnologia is arguably the strongest character in the series (so far), it would've been nice to see more of God Serena, but as I said his defeat is legit. Oh and Brandish is just trash, mostly her personality, Hiro made her too OP and needed a reason to put her out of the war.



It´s not that the fights don´t have  meaningful conclusions, some do, but all of them follow the formula of one sided domination. There´s never a struggle because every time one of the two sides has the upper hand he wins too hard.

The villains get introduced winning, FT gives a speech/decides to get serious.

FT keeps winning. The enemie powers up, FT on the ropes. They onehit.



Also all of them are too short. Like a boxing match that lasts 3 rounds each time, they have fight, through KO.On the topic of Brandish. It´s not her alone.

It´s an issue he has with all the characters he makes OP. Gildarts can´t take part into the story because his ability is oneshot based. Eileen only reconstructed the area, she didn´t fight anyone and August also was immediately interrupted.

The magic was a massive area reconstruction and teleportation and Zera was real all along,

metsujin said:
ETX said:
Gonna go out on a whim and say that Zera is Zeref and Mavis's daughter.



I mean, look at that last page, the resemblance is uncanny.



Read Fairy Tail Zero man.



But we´re dealing with a manga that heavily utilizes timetravel , xD. It´s nothing I´d put past Hiro, honestly he went Kubo with this chapter.



The only way to top this would be Zeref to claim that everything went according to plan. At this point I don´t know , Hiro Mashima trascended humanity too. I can´t predict this guy anymore.



The only thing I could imagine at this point would be that Fairies are the Angels of the FT universe, which are former humans.

Lol Gajeel ...



Will be fun to see  Darklight once again trying to justify things when Mashima himself gave up ages ago on good storytelling and meaningful death. :D

did you notice the snake in the panel??? i think it's a foreshadowing..... dunno...

Isterio said:
frostmourn said:


Yep, that's one of my points I tried to make when I mentioned Mard, thanks for properly presenting it :)



One of the main morals of the series is feels and love.



But Hiro respects these aspects only for Natsu, Lucy and Erza. What happened to the feelings of:

Future Rouge (lost everything he cared for, became ready to sacrifice anything to stop Acnologia).

Won´t argue with you here, that´s some thin ice there, if you like him as a villain feel free. I don´t remember him well enough.

frostmourn said:


Mard Geer (the guy legit didn't want anything to do with humans, just wanted to revive his friend/mentor and kill Zeref; went against fairy tail cause they blocked his ways), then his emotions for shitted on this arc (465) ; simultaneously making entire Tartarus arc pointless.



To be fair, Hiro pointed out several times how the demons don´t feel. How they´re empty because theý´ve been created out of ether (nothingness) and that their curses are not fueled through positive emotions like love but through malice.

He didn´t leave any room for interpretation, although it´s contradictory how most of them have been shown to display several different emotions through their facial expressions. Despair and fear just to name two.





frostmourn said:


Lissana, got her partner stolen by someone  who came to his life just 1 month back, while she alone supported and have encouragement to Natsu for years till they were 16 when every other member of the guild mocked and belittled him; and even developed mutual runabouts romantic feelings with each other. Natsu didn't even have feelings for Lucy, the entire thing appears forced AF now.

Kyouka's and Sayla's loyalty to Zeref and each other. Erza won because she's erza and her feelings were stronger? BS, kyouka's feelings were definitely stronger there.



I 100% agree that the whole handling of this plotline is horseshit, nonetheless I wanna point out that their relationship wasn´t described as romantic in the Manga, more like a childhood crush. The Anime consistently kept adding content to this plotline, that blew it out of proportion.

Neither was Natsu treated badly within the guild, that´s Anime bullshit too.

I´ve also gotta point out that the whole rumor about Lisanna being brought back, because of the director of the Anime, is just a rumor, developed by fanshippers.

Fact is, Hiro Mashima brought Lisanna back at his own request.

I´m inclined to think that he watched/read Naruto one day and thought.Yes I´ve gotta add that love trangle into my series too.

frostmourn said:


There are multiple other instances where the morals for his series are contradicted cause they don't matter to sidecharacters (Jacob saving Brandish and Marin, cobra getting cheap shotted by Erza for Kinana etc)



Naruto follows similar morals too, but the difference is kishi tries to respect other character's morals too: pain's feels, madara's feels, obito's feels (LOL) etc



I don´wanna open that can of worms so I´ll make it short.

That´s because everyone who prefers good storytelling over cute girls doing sexy things in tight revealing clothes considers Naruto the better Manga.



I've not read manga till 120 episodes. But I loved the flashbacks of Natsu and lissana in the anime, showing Natsu in a different light than a dumbass. The anime made me really like lissana and made me really sad to see her getting shitted on now.



I don't remember the manga saying that demons don't have emotions. But Mard himself stated that he has emotions and he tries his best to keep them checked. Mard,Kyoka and Sayla showed a lot a emotions (+ve emotions) as well. So did the rest of the demons.

Edit:Mard was shown to care about demons, he made hell's core to help them with their injuries and held core runs on his power, he lends tempesta his energy to heal himself etc. Sayla looked like a demon version of Mira, she definitely cared about demons. Kyoka cared at least about Sayla

Should've expected to see gajeel come back god dammit

Really interesting chapter. But the last page... I'm confused. That's it. Just plain old confused.