Fairy Tail Chapter 462 Discussion
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- #84
Darklight0303 said:
CookingPriest said:
Darklight0303 said:
CookingPriest said:
Darklight0303 said:
CookingPriest said:
The chapter ranged from OK to great, but those last two pages completely ruined it -_-
Because it makes so much more sense to let the guy who can instakill everyone get anywhere near his precious people doesn't it?
No, because the very rules of narrative already tell us that what Natsu did at the end is completely pointless. The whole exchange is pointless because Natsu WILL lose, and all that we can hope for is some sort of new information about Zeref and him or something.
Also because it feels very much like a rehash of Tartaros where Natsu also rushed into the base only to get oneshotted by Silver.
Also because it presents the possibility of typical "rescue arc" where FT Guild has to travel to Zeref's location to free Natsu as Mashima's cop out from showing actual large scale war with consequences going on.
I'd rather they focus on w hat is actually interesting(The actual war, Lucy's backstory, etc) than on an obligatory "one loss per arc" for Natsu thing.
See that's your problem. You're not looking at it from HIS perspective. You're looking at this from a metaknowledge point of view.
Zeref is in charge of the enemy. Zeref has the deathwave that can kill anyone except Natsu on the first try since he has the scarf. Going for the head of the snake makes perfect sense from Natsu's perspective especially given his bandaged one time move.
What is Natsu's primary directive? How is that directive best achieved if you only knew what he knew?
The answer to these questions is exactly what he did.
Just because it makes sense character-wise, does not mean it is good for the story or is promising for the future developments.
Erza defeating every single opponent because She's Erza is also perfectly in character for Erza. Does not make it a good direction.
I have no problems with how in character it is. I have problems with where in the story it leads and the ultimate futility of it.
Not to mention the lack of any threat, because obviously they will not just off Natsu and obviously he will lose. Literally the only hope for it is some sort of backstory revelation/development for Zeref/Natsu thing.
Which is likely what will happen if not the big awakening as End and the subsequent trashing of Gray and others.
You see, I have the problem with the idea of an "evil persona" too.
Story wise it would have been so much more interesting if END and Natsu were completely the same, especially considering Gray's vendetta.
Though I have a slight problem with Natsu and END being completely the same. Only because there is still a lot shrouded in mystery concerning Igneel. Igneel was stated that he couldn't defeat END, though it may be that he found END to be the little child, Natsu, and didn't find it in his heart to destroy him, so raised him up instead. However during the Tartaros arc, Igneel specifically tells Natsu to steal the book, and not to open it or destroy it. I'm assuming if you destroy the book, Natsu will die perhaps. As for opening the book, I believe it either means that if Natsu reads the content of the book, an awakening will happen, or it could simply be that Igneel does not wish for Natsu to find out that he is E.N.D. , a fire demon created by Zeref.
- #86
Rothlori said:
Loved the chapter but charging alone into the enemy this powerful was a bit dumb even for natsu. I really wonder what is going to happen now.
Again he acts on his instincts, going back to Zeref...
That and it's possible that whatever he's got in that bandage is so powerful that there's Colateral damage risk that would endanger his precious people
- #87
CookingPriest said:
The chapter ranged from OK to great, but those last two pages completely ruined it -_-
Because it makes so much more sense to let the guy who can instakill everyone get anywhere near his precious people doesn't it?
No, because the very rules of narrative already tell us that what Natsu did at the end is completely pointless. The whole exchange is pointless because Natsu WILL lose, and all that we can hope for is some sort of new information about Zeref and him or something.
Also because it feels very much like a rehash of Tartaros where Natsu also rushed into the base only to get oneshotted by Silver.
Also because it presents the possibility of typical "rescue arc" where FT Guild has to travel to Zeref's location to free Natsu as Mashima's cop out from showing actual large scale war with consequences going on.
I'd rather they focus on w hat is actually interesting(The actual war, Lucy's backstory, etc) than on an obligatory "one loss per arc" for Natsu thing.
Tartaros was great because there was actual scope and there were actual stakes and the "victory" was a combined effort that felt tangible and real(except for Erza part) and the Guild did not walk away without any consequences. Oh and Lucy actually got to do shit and be badass.
So far in this arc it feels like parts of it are being rushed, Lucy is being yet again marginalized and instead of stopping this invasion being a group effort with actual consequences, it has potential of being avoided with a rescue arc, in a sense making it all about Natsu(or even worse, gary stu Gray saving Natsu)
- #88
Raijin-sama619 said:
Of course, 4 Gods of Ishgar can't beat Zeref.
They are just three, and tw of them are confirmed to be weaker than Laxus except they had a powershift once again.
The best matchup I can imagine would be Yuri (sorry Serena) against the 4.
Or Maybe the old guy, everything else seems lackluster.
Wait what, 2 of the Gods are confirmed to be weaker than Laxus, is that a fact or just speculation?
I'm just very confused because I don't remember such thing being stated in this arc, maybe during Tartaros or something?
- #89
CookingPriest said:
Darklight0303 said:
CookingPriest said:
The chapter ranged from OK to great, but those last two pages completely ruined it -_-
Because it makes so much more sense to let the guy who can instakill everyone get anywhere near his precious people doesn't it?
No, because the very rules of narrative already tell us that what Natsu did at the end is completely pointless. The whole exchange is pointless because Natsu WILL lose, and all that we can hope for is some sort of new information about Zeref and him or something.
Also because it feels very much like a rehash of Tartaros where Natsu also rushed into the base only to get oneshotted by Silver.
Also because it presents the possibility of typical "rescue arc" where FT Guild has to travel to Zeref's location to free Natsu as Mashima's cop out from showing actual large scale war with consequences going on.
I'd rather they focus on w hat is actually interesting(The actual war, Lucy's backstory, etc) than on an obligatory "one loss per arc" for Natsu thing.
See that's your problem. You're not looking at it from HIS perspective. You're looking at this from a metaknowledge point of view.
Zeref is in charge of the enemy. Zeref has the deathwave that can kill anyone except Natsu on the first try since he has the scarf. Going for the head of the snake makes perfect sense from Natsu's perspective especially given his bandaged one time move.
What is Natsu's primary directive? How is that directive best achieved if you only knew what he knew?
The answer to these questions is exactly what he did.
Just because it makes sense character-wise, does not mean it is good for the story or is promising for the future developments.
Erza defeating every single opponent because She's Erza is also perfectly in character for Erza. Does not make it a good direction.
I have no problems with how in character it is. I have problems with where in the story it leads and the ultimate futility of it.
Not to mention the lack of any threat, because obviously they will not just off Natsu and obviously he will lose. Literally the only hope for it is some sort of backstory revelation/development for Zeref/Natsu thing.