Fairy Tail Chapter 407 Discussion

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  • #26
Thimolimo said:
Just tell me what Lumen Histoire is already!



A loli in a crystal.
 
  • #27
Oneill said:
Darklight0303 said:
Oneill said:
Darklight0303 said:
Oneill said:
WHy is everyone obsessed with Natsu becoming END? There is no clue what will happen. My best bet is what Mard said. END is in the book. And now we know why he couldn't release him before, why he needed Face for it. But that doesn't mean Natsu is End.



You really need it to be spelled out huh?



Okay let me put it in big bold letters for you.



Exhibit A: END is a fire demon that Igneel, the KING of fire Dragons was unable to defeat in battle.



Exhibit B: END and all of the Demons of Zeref were made to kill Zeref.



Exhibit C: Back on Tenrou, Zeref said the Following about Natsu: "You've grown, Natsu" "Natsu is the only one who can Destroy me." "Not yet. Not Yet. Natsu still can't destroy me"



Exhibit D: Only Natsu or END will be able to meet with Zeref.





And i think there is more to it than that.

And if Zeref want to die, why is he "hoping" that Natsu will be the one not END.

Yes, i remember all of that. But we don't know what happened in the past 400 years with Zeref.



-Exhibit A:  Jsut because Igneel is the king of fire dragons, that doesn't mean, END the strongest demon is weaker than him.

My speculation is, 400 years ago, during their battle, Igneel almost died. And someone sealed END away in the book.



Dragons are immune to magic other than dragon slayer plus Igneel would eat fire magic and turn it into his own power. I never said END was weaker than Igneel. However Igneel couldn't defeat him in a straight up fight. So he sealed and SPLIT END. The character and full power of END went into the book. The body, the blank slate that was left behind was taken in by Igneel who raised it into who Natsu is now. There's MY theory





I get your theory. What i don't get, if END is so bad thing, why didn't Igneel put the book away somewhere safe, where no one can find it?

And other than that, Igneel could have killed the blank body. So that's why i say it: There is more to it than that. And i assume we will find out during the next 2 chapters.



Killing the blank body would potentially just let the spirit get a new one. Whereas if he could foster and raise the vessel into something that could actually TAKE ENDS power from him since it WAS the original vessel, that would be the best way to beat him. He couldn't destroy it. That much is fact from what we heard from Atlas.
 
  • #28
Excelent chapter.When Zeref said that either Natsu or E.N.D could reach him and the reason ("it would be a kill-joy") why he was avoiding  Tartarus,I was sure that either Zeref created E.N.D to kill himself,or E.N.D and Mard were gonna rebel and murder him.Well,seems I was right and wrong.Oh well,I am satisfied.



I too am quite sure Natsu is E.N.D ...Zeref had an entire army of demons made to kill him,and chose Natsu to kill him,instead of E.N.D-his strongest demon?Also,when he said that of either one of them reaching him,it opens up the possibility of Natsu losing...which would conflict with what he said that only Natsu can kill him.



Zeref CURSED himself with immortality,eh?I wonder,did that guy intend to live a eternal hell?I wonder what happened in the past to make him hate not only people so much,but also himself.



Also,I don't think Zeref changed his mind.His plan to murder everyone is probably a ruse,so as to make Natsu and all guilds rally against him.Natsu wouldn't kill him otherwise.He wants to be murdered,this hasn't changed.But,I also feel that he wants to test Natsu,perhaps to see if he can slay Acnologia,so I don't think he will just give up his life without a fight.Of course,if Natsu fails,then he will progress with his plan.Maybe Zeref has some other ways of getting Acnologia killed or dealt with?Oh well,this is just speculation though.



Well,Igneel taught Natsu fire dragon slaying,and considering that Natsu can only fully master his magic by becoming  third generation....he probably  taught Natsu this magic so he could be killed by him.I doubt that Natsu has the balls to do it...and I doubt Acnologia will get his chance,something will get in the way.E.N.D could be the one to do it.This arc sure is promising.It's kinda a fusion of the king and Blue guardian's arcs from rave master...
 
  • #30
Very interesting chapter. Lumen Histoire must be very serious for Makatov to want have everyone's memory wiped and also the whole demons were designed to kill Zeref was unexpected. I personally realised the ending. Gray FTW!
 
  • #31
Great chapter..

Gray is OP now, he didn't need to use ice-make , he can freeze the opponent instantly..



Natsu = END?

Yeah I think so too..

Since there's so many hint in the previous chap, since Tenrou arc..

Why Zeref know Natsu back then?

Only Natsu that can defeat him, it's just sound like only END can defeat him..

and other hint like Igneel said that Natsu must not open the book..
 
  • #32
There is one thing I don't follow. Is it confirmed that Natsu will be END? Or is it a prediction?
 
  • #33
Darklight0303 said:
Oneill said:
WHy is everyone obsessed with Natsu becoming END? There is no clue what will happen. My best bet is what Mard said. END is in the book. And now we know why he couldn't release him before, why he needed Face for it. But that doesn't mean Natsu is End.



You really need it to be spelled out huh?



Okay let me put it in big bold letters for you.



Exhibit A: END is a fire demon that Igneel, the KING of fire Dragons was unable to defeat in battle.



Exhibit B: END and all of the Demons of Zeref were made to kill Zeref.



Exhibit C: Back on Tenrou, Zeref said the Following about Natsu: "You've grown, Natsu" "Natsu is the only one who can Destroy me." "Not yet. Not Yet. Natsu still can't destroy me"



Exhibit D: Only Natsu or END will be able to meet with Zeref.





And i think there is more to it than that.

And if Zeref want to die, why is he "hoping" that Natsu will be the one not END.

Yes, i remember all of that. But we don't know what happened in the past 400 years with Zeref.



-Exhibit A:  Jsut because Igneel is the king of fire dragons, that doesn't mean, END the strongest demon is weaker than him.

My speculation is, 400 years ago, during their battle, Igneel almost died. And someone sealed END away in the book.
 
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