Fairy Tail Chapter 368 Discussion

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Jellal has already tanked a similar attack even pre skip, people get freak out too easily. There are many ways Mashima can play his card, illusions from Midnight (he looks unusually calm and not surprised one bit compared to others) and Thought Projection from Jellal are already 2 possible scenarios out there.
 
  • #107
Darklight0303 said:
Behemoth11 said:
Darklight0303 said:
Behemoth11 said:
Darklight0303 said:
Behemoth11 said:
Darklight0303 said:
Behemoth11 said:
Darklight0303 said:
Behemoth11 said:
I mean the magic tournament arc.



They're unrelated.



Wrong. In one of  Mashimas reviews of tankōbon 32 he stated himself that Zeref will show up.

If you remember Igneel said also that it's time to show up for him.

The tournament arc should turn out to a new dragonfeast that contains dragons, humans and demons. That was mentioned long time ago.



Now Mashima is doing that what he couldn't do before.



There's no reason to when there's other arcs to do it. If Igneel failed 400Years ago to destroy end he would fail now as well. Dragons will NOT show up.



Igneel is the only one who has knowledge about END and this time he isn't alone.



You presume he was alone 400 years ago. If anything the fact that Atlas Flame knows of the battle proves there were other dragons there as well.



Doesn't make sense. Atlas was saying that Igneel alone tried to destroy END. If Atlas was present 400 years ago and fought alongside Igneel he had said "we tried to destroy the book but failed".



Then explain how Atlas knew first hand.



400 years ago Atlas and Igneel were foes which fought each other several times. But after some time they became friends and Igneel talked about his actions against Zeref. Simpel as that, I think.



Except Atlas was already friends with Igneel and called him DEAR friend when he was summoned through the eclipse gate. From the same timeframe that Zirconius existed in which implies middle of the war. Try again



Zirconis died in the middle of the war because of Acnologia, right? Around 400 years ago. However, there is also no time designation of Igneels attack against END.
 
  • #108
RandomCommenter said:


1. 5v1

2. Zero caught him offguard

3. They aren't really scrubs, they're powerful in their own right. Jellal is just OP.



Might need to get your maths checked up, Hoteyes and Midnight aren't helping fight.
 
  • #109
hello09 said:
Midnight didn't even flinch or move his head when Zero attacked...and he was the one furthest in the back.No way he wouldn't have noticed it...and that smirk,he is up to something.



Zero killing Jellal is extremely anti climatic.That smirk troubled me,I thought he was serious.



But a friend of mine reminded me that Midnight can reflect and twist the light around him,casting realistic illusions,so that Jellal was probably an illusion.He could easily tank dark capriccio in the pre time-skip,and Natsu could block one with his bear hands,although with lots of effort.



And it is quite convenient,jellal dies just as that guy located him.Also,a guy in a forum made me remember that Zero can only awaken when all oracion seis are defeated and their prayers dispelled.I thought that Brain dying was also another possibility,but since that wasn't ever said,I was rather cautious.



So,that Zero is most likely another illusion .But boy,to fool Tartarus Jellal even tricked Meredy,and Midnight tricked his companions into attacking "Jellal",for i don't think any of them was aware of this theater."To fool your enemies,you need to fool your allies",touche.I imagine now they are gonna follow tartarus to face's location and destroy them both at once.



Also,the silver thing.People said if he knew Natsu,he would react accordingly."Natsu,of all people".There you have it.Well,things are going brilliantly.



I like this theory but then according to that former president guy jellal shouldn't even know that he is one of the seals for face..
 
  • #110
Talukita said:
Anyway, here is a comprehensive post about the Illusion theory for those who are interested:


Final Giku Tenshou said:
Except this time instead of pulling the wool over the eyes of the Council members, he is pulling the wool over the eyes of Tartaros and the ex Chairman of the Council. I mean let's think about the necessary things that would have to happen here first in order for the chain of events to transpire that just fucking occurred.



Jellal went through this fight without a single use of his magic:



In what fucking world is Jellal going to encounter five opponents of formidable strength (and let's give OS their just dues, they are a formidable fucking force especially when they fight together as a team, which they've already proven they are incredibly good at) and not use any of his magical spells at all? He used Meteor once throughout the entire fight, no sign of Grand Chariot, no sign of Altarius, he didn't even use Meteor except once during the entire ordeal.



Jellal told Meredy to stand back because this is something he must do on his own:



This probably pushed my biggest alarm button of all, Jellal knows exactly what type of magic Meredy uses, he also knows that Oracion Seis is a very tight knit group as evidenced by Cobra pulling the diplomatic shit he did to get them freed and the group fighting an opponent together who they perceive to be a threat to their own freedom. If his intention was to subdue Oracion Seis in order to get them to keep them in line as per his assumed agreement with Doranbolt releasing them then Meredy is the most logical choice with her Sensory Link spell.



Zero has to revive without any of the prayers used to seal him falling:



Mashima would have to be nearly fucking insane to break this establishment without proper reasoning and I don't think even he is willing to go quite this far, unless Brain created a failsafe for Zero to revive in the event that he should be defeated (which he would have to do in prison by the way because he sure as hell didn't have one when Jura defeated him) then how in the hell is Zero even here right now much less laughing like a maniac and causing carnage just like his old self, he didn't even act properly at all, the Zero I remember was confident enough in himself to not even worry about performing sneak attacks, he flat out announced himself to Natsu, Gray, and Lucy before owning them all single handedly and then DARED everyone there to come get him if they felt like it.



You know what can explain all of this though? There is one thing that can explain everything:



http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-155-page-17.html

http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-120-page-9.html



Illusion magic could explain all of these events happening, especially if it were being used to play a trick on someone, and we have two people in this fight who have the option to use it, Jellal who knows Mystogan's magic, and Midnight who has his own illusion magic.



Now why would they need to fool anyone? Because of this:



http://readms.com/r/fairy_tail/368/2226/14



Jellal likely knows the Ex Councilman's magic is a magic which search through the continent for mages, and he also probably knows that he is the last remaining link to activating Face, thus by making Tartaros think he is dead he will effectively lure Tartaros into his own trap. Since Midnight's magic is of a visual type, and we have seen his reaction to Jellal's death in this chapter, I concur that Midnight is most likely using an illusion magic to fool the Chairman and Tartaros into thinking Jellal is dead.



Of course knowing this doesn't explain exactly how Midnight's illusion magic could affect the vision of a magic on the scale of this guy's archive, but since it's Mashima we're unlikely to get an explanation for what happened, however this without a doubt the most likely scenario that is unfolding in this chapter. It's the only thing that makes sense, why else would both Jellal and Zero act so out of character compared to everyone else?



Ladies and gentlemen I rest my case, Jellal is playing the motherfucking long con here, and it's going to be an epic as fuck finish



This is quite the impressive post on the illusion theory. I'm more inclined to believe the illusion theory rater than him being killed and then brought back to life using another plot device. It does make sense as Mystogan is technically Jellal from Edolas, so they share some common traits. Stil... I hope Mashima doesn't abuse using the plot device of using "illusions to fake a character's death". It kind of... cheapens the whole deal. I mean, they already did it with Raven Tail and Laxus, and that was already in the last arc.



Also, I think Tartaros should notice that the FACE is still sealed even though Jellal is "dead" to their eyes. So this is a pretty dangerous long con on Jellal's part. If it fails, he is going to be number 1 on their hit list and they will throw everything they've got at him.



Perhaps this is foreshadowed by the 4v1 that the Oracion Seis threw at him?



pkKodama said:


Lucy has plot relevance? Are you kidding me? All she did during the whole series was getting naked for fan service and being saved by Natsu.



Talukita said:
Technically in Rave her counterpart Ellie also has the same treatment until they discover her true power, just that Mashima constant abuses her as a chew toy makes people usually overlook her character.



I agree. You can't overlook Lucy just yet - she is the female protagonist, and Mashima always has something reserved for them just like Talukita said, as Ellie had in Rave Master.



Remember, Lucy has the connection with the Celestial world, and I have a feeling just like with the dragons and Acnologia, there will be an arc centered around the meaning and existence of the Celestial world with Lucy being a central figure of something very, very big.



If he developed Natsu and the dragon slayers for the dragons, then Hiro will definitely develop Lucy and the Celestial world and their spirits. She's collecting the keys for a reason, and as much as I do like Yukino, eventually all 12 will fall into her hands whether she likes it or not. And Mashima won't let make her collect Zodiac keys in his plot without an ulterior motive.



Until Fairy Tail actually ends, don't judge the depth and significance of Lucy's character just yet. Anything can happen. For all of us who are familiar with Rave Master, Hiro Mashima develops ALL his main characters and has something stored for each and every one of them from Haru and Ellie to Siegrain (who is pretty much Jellal here).



So Lucy, useless? Far from it.
 
  • #111
Darklight0303 said:
Behemoth11 said:
I mean the magic tournament arc.



They're unrelated.



Wrong. In one of  Mashimas reviews of tankōbon 32 he stated himself that Zeref will show up.

If you remember Igneel said also that it's time to show up for him.

The tournament arc should turn out to a new dragonfeast that contains dragons, humans and demons. That was mentioned long time ago.



Now Mashima is doing that what he couldn't do before.
 
  • #113
Behemoth11 said:
DocN said:
kiko_zen said:
if silver is future gray then how can it be ?what are his intensions?



Yeah, I'm wondering about that myself. If Silver = Future Gray, is he going to turn out to be evil like "Future Rogue" or is he going to be good like "Future Lucy"? That's what I'm wondering.



I think he's not much different than Rogue. Maybe Silver lost his friends in the future and lover(Juvia?). Because Future Gray coudn't protect them, he became a new identity=>Silver the fucking Demon Slayer



That would be pretty cool - an evil Gray (*completely forgets about the anime's Daphne arc, which wasn't made by Mashima anyway). Though Gray and other current Fairy Tail members seem to be protected by "nakama" power and immune to turning completely evil. =/ Not sure how this will turn out.
 
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