Berserk Chapter 356 Discussion

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  • #34
@Draconix814 and @joe_g7 - thanks for clearing that up for me! Wasn't sure if I'd have time to search through to confirm what I thought I remembered, so I appreciate the reminders.



Draconix814 said:


Zodd will probably have to confront Guts. Sonia will have to confront Shierke as per their prior meeting, and Mule is a wild card in all of this.

I disagree that Zodd will end up confronting Guts, I think Miura has clearly marked Skull Knight as Zodd's destined nemesis. :) So even if they were at Elfheim, I think it would be more likely that Skull Knight would show up again to face Zodd. As annoying as it is that Guts's group resembles a JRPG party, I think it's because Miura is deliberately setting up foils to Griffith/Femto: Guts=Griffith, Farnese=Charlotte, Schielke=Sonia, Skull Knight=Zodd, etc. Therefore I think it's quite possible that Isidro or Serpico will be Mule's foil - Isidro because he is Mule's polar opposite (street rat background with lack of formal training), or Serpico because he and Mule share a similar background but fight for opposite causes. If anyone's a wildcard, I think it's most likely to be Casca: she's the one who was always caught between Guts and Griffith, right from the beginning. I don't mean that I think Casca will join Griffith or she's still in love with him or anything, just that they have a long complicated history that can't be easily discounted.



Also, did I miss some indication that Griffith is repelling the troll army from Falconia? I mean, it's likely that that's the case, but I think there's also a possibility that he is the attacker, not the defender. I have a theory that Griffith, having obtained everything he wanted, is going to find that he's bored. I think he's going to realize that pursuing a dream is much more interesting than achieving it, and like Alexander the Great, "he wept for there were no more worlds to conquer." So perhaps Griffith is looking for new battles to win and new worlds to conquer, because that's really what he enjoys.
 
  • #35
Aardwolf94 said:
Lol, what a fucking troll. Lazy Miura strikes again, I'm currently doubting he even knows how to handle Guts and Casca's reunion..thats why he just shifted focus to Griffith & wasting time here until there is a hiatus



I don't think he's trolling. I have written a long time ago that I got the feeling that Miura wasn't 100% sure of how he would handle this. It's really a momentous decision and up until now, he hasn't committed to anything major.



 
  • #36
Aardwolf94 said:
Kamareki said:
Of course he knows how to handle it! Please, don't make any comments judging the writer when you don't even know how they work. The story is usually laid out months and months ahead. When the 355 was out, he had 356 somewhere in the table ready to be printed. I won't be surprised if he already has full story-boards for chapters 357-370 and he spends two weeks drawing the chapter and two weeks thinking about the story.

For someone who has been a writer for the series for a very long time, he knows his characters well.



The previous two chapters had a lot going on and it is natural to see one slow-burner thrown in.



Yeah but we already know it won't be just one. This is clearly the start of a new Griffith story. If he already knew how to handle Guts and Casca's reunion, why not just do it in 1-2 chapters and then move on to Griffith?



Instead he basically shoehorns in Griffith into the climax of Guts story since Lost Children ended. Its as if during the world transformation, we suddenly switched to Guts group killing monsters or some shit. It kills the pacing





Because that would be anticlimatic. Is really obvious that he wants to 'cause impact on whatever he is thinking to do.
 
  • #37
@Draconix814

1. There is nothing misleading about the transitions. It's just a new chapter.

2. This arc hasn't gone on long enough to end. Also, I doubt Fantasia will end before we get a proper resolution between Guts and Casca.

3. Why would Casca's healing have any effect on Griffith??? I don't understand. Has anything like that ever been implied??

6. Just like Ganishka before, there might be someone else out there who wishes to oppose Griffith's rule.

7. No, no effect on him. If there was we would see it here, but he was completely fine and acting normal.

8. We'll see...



Oh yeah, I forgot to reply to that. If you ask me, it's just a shield and nothing more. Don't read to much into it.
 
  • #38
so we flash back to what griffith is up to... cool stuff but i'm ngl, all i want to see is guts and casca content so i really couldn't care less atm what griffith is doing
 
  • #39
altho its kinda funny how zodd just become griffiths horsey
 
  • #40
joe_g7 said:
Draconix814 said:
The transition between Casca thinking about Griffith's decrepit body and Femto's adventures murdering trolls is too convenient a transition and looks like it is trying to mislead us. The way the scenes transition into each other feel cinematic too, and they flow too well when you're reading them side by side. You're reading to much into it. Miura is just a very skilled artist, that is all. There is no "deeper meaning" in the panels.



With whatever this raid is that Femto is doing to these trolls, I do believe there to be a greater purpose other than both trolling its audience by cliffhanging. It is just that though. Ever since Griffith obtained a corporeal body, we've constantly juggled from Guts to Griffith, and to Rickert too. The POV hasn't changed ever since the gang arrived on Elfhelm, plus Casca finally came back, and --as much as I hate that Miura went back to Griffith-- something like this was expected.



One theory I suggest is that Miura is going to hereby show us something new either about Femto and his new army/ world, or something will be clarified or built upon in regards to the Moonlight child. We have already seen everything about Griffith's army and city. That was the whole point of when Rickert was in Falconia. Moonlight Boy only appears during a full moon (thus the name 'Moonlight Boy'), and in this chapter you can see that it's daytime. There's no way he has any connection with this.



Now we don't know what time this is happening-- before, after, or during Casca's healing. Is literally says on the first page that this is happening after Casca woke up:





We also don't really know Femto's objective or even where he is attacking. That said, there is an indication that Femto, at least on the outset, is fighting the trolls because they are murdering humans (the skinned human they're using as a banner) and picking a fight with them, in lack of more detailed terms. There's quite a HUGE indication actually, Griffith is fighting them because the trolls attacked humans. They have dangled corpses and skeletons on trees (?), use human skin as banners. On page 2 you can see one of them carry half a door, another one is using a ceiling as a helmet, another one uses the front half of a boat as a helmet, they use human shields as body armor -- ALL THESE can safely be assumed they obtained by killing and raiding human villages.



But let's take note of one thing-- that Sonia took note of an irregular flow of OD behind the bushes of the Troll leader. I have a feeling this is going to BIG and not just in terms of the upcoming fight. This can be something that will affect Femto and the Troll leader's "fight" (if you can call it that). That irregular flow must be the person/being controlling the trolls. It is likely this will be something different from what we've seen so far, but in no way be this:

"and this can also be something that can shed a new light on Femto and his body/ the Moonlight Child."



That said, how does any of this mislead us about what's going to happen with Guts and Casca? Well, I have a feeling that whatever is happening over with Guts and Casca will have a major effect on Femto. That ominous flow of OD can be contributed to that.  No, you're just saying shit again Draconix...



EDIT: Let's also not forget the myriad of unanswered questions that arose from Casca getting healed in the first place. What happened when they were off dreaming? They had a party on Elfhelm. Guts had a few drinks with Serpico and Farnese's fiancee.



Just how much time passed? One day:



Why did the Elf Queen immediately give Casca a dress? Because she thought to wear dirty traveling rugs for a reunion with her lover was un-romantic:

1. I wasn't talking about the panels themselves, I was referring to the transition of ideas that was misleading us.



2. Build up of plot points that would be intended for the climax of the Fantasia arc was what I was referring to as a "greater purpose".



3. With the Moonlight child, I understand that he can't come out if it's sunny, I was more referring to if he was the demon baby. Hence my multiple references to the effect Casca's healing could have on Femto's body.



4. Didn't register it, my bad.



5. I... am horrible at catching on little details like that, so yeah, basically.



6. I was expecting some sort of elf magic to be at work to combine the two simultaneous situations together in a literal or thematic way. Just curious though, why would anyone be controlling the trolls?



7. Again, I was expecting whatever was going on over at Elf Island to have an effect on Femto. I don't know if I was pushing (though I said I don't grasp the magic and lore of Berserk that well) but I wasn't just speaking out of my ass.



8. ...But is that everything?



9. Didn't catch that, honestly. I also read it a month ago, so I was bound to forget the specifics even if I didn't miss it.



10. Ok, so I seriously lack attention to detail, thanks for proving that point to me.



But hey, at least I spotted that connection with the trolls to the Holy See, unless that is already explained somehow and I just remember nothing from the last 100 chapters.
 
  • #41
joe_g7 said:
@Draconix814

1. There is nothing misleading about the transitions. It's just a new chapter.

2. This arc hasn't gone on long enough to end. Also, I doubt Fantasia will end before we get a proper resolution between Guts and Casca.

3. Why would Casca's healing have any effect on Griffith??? I don't understand. Has anything like that ever been implied??

6. Just like Ganishka before, there might be someone else out there who wishes to oppose Griffith's rule.

7. No, no effect on him. If there was we would see it here, but he was completely fine and acting normal.

8. We'll see...



Oh yeah, I forgot to reply to that. If you ask me, it's just a shield and nothing more. Don't read to much into it.

1. Eh, we'll see.

2. Well, yeah, obviously it wouldn't come to an end before Guts and Casca meet up. I am just saying it is building something up for the climax of that arc, and that could be the end of the arc (and Guts and Casca's reunion will be at the center of it), or just the turning point in the arc.

3. Just a theory, really. The demon baby could possibly react to Casca's devegetablization, and the fact that Casca thought about Griffith before changing perspectives was what made me think along those lines.

6. That can be true, but it looks more like the trolls are a bunch of rogues that are threatening peace or some shit.

7. But what about next chapter? What if Femto's body starts freaking out in the next panel-- that'd be pretty cool if you ask me.

8. Indeed we shall.



I wouldn't think so. I mean, the trolls were carrying some shit around like the skinned humans and corpses, but we don't know if the armor that they are wearing would be from any of them. My bet is that the trolls are actually former humans of the Holy See.
 
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