Naruto Chapter 681 Discussion
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- #171
Keetriver said:
Kazi9 said:
JizzyHitler said:
xDantey said:
It's obvious that this wasn't planned, Madara became a puppet at the last minute when he was supposed to be the final boss, Kishimoto is just changing everything to fit his ending, the plot twist was badly executed.None of this final arc was planned. The series was originally meant to end a LONG time ago before the time skip even happened. And even then the reason this final arc didnt come sooner was kishimoto was saying in interviews he didnt know how to end it. The reason this final arc is such a trainwreck is lack of planning.
This series is a perfect example of why writers shouldnt wing their endings, they should make a few possibilties of how to end it so they have something to build up to, then modify them as the series going along based off what your writing to build up to it. When you dont you get this.
Kishi never said it with his own mouth that he didn't know how to end it. It was just a flimsy rumour...
Interviews are mistranslated/misinterpreted all the time. Unless I have read a certain interview wrong or the translation was done incorrectly, when asked about how Madara would be defeated Kishi stated something on the lines of "Every villain has a weakness. Madara however has none. So ask yourself, how he could possibly be defeated? Wait and see!"
Stupid Madara fanboys had interpreted this as Kishi not knowing how to end Madara so he asspulls Kaguya. This chapter combined with Black Zetsu's constant presence is enough for me to believe he had this planning for a while.If he actually planned it like we see, he really sucks at story telling and planning.
Ha! I don't really see what's complicated here.
Madara was manupulated to think that his will was his and his alone while it was kaguya's. After been betrayed/sealed(however u put it) she created black zetsu whose main purpose was to bring her back any means necessary.
Her being sealed by a powerful sealing technique made it hard for him to bring her back so what's the next best thing? 're-create war to awaken the rinnegan in some crazy way' which we saw! We never saw the full battle of hashirama vs madara so anyone who disputes the biting can't really justify it! It should be known by now that the ninja world thrived on manipulations and deceptions so this shouldn't actually be a surprise.
What we all thought we knew about the juubi was what madara thought he knew. So changing the words on that tablet really changed everything!
- #172
Yeah bringing Kaguya into the picture, he was forced to flip the entire story around so that kaguya was part of the central plot, imo i think the story was fine when it was bout ninja's but now he had to create a scenario that was relevant to kaguya, an otherworldly demon and some how make madara and black zetsu a part of it. It is quite obvious that kishimoto did not plan this.
He ran him self into a corner. Regardless, it is what it is and i accept it, the final battles have nearly been like interplanetary lvls of intensity and lots of revelations and plot twist keep the story very unpredictable. Regardless of the direction he chose, its still enjoyable on that aspect. The ending will never change my views on the characters though, naruto has some of the greatest historical figures to grace the anime medium and that will never change for me.
I don't think Kishimoto has the writing skills to pull off connecting major events in Naruto. All of this shit seems so forced and artificial none of it seems natural. I honestly wish before the big war arc he would've just taken some time to think out what he's writing and then stick to it. Instead of tossing out all of this garbage. Making characters like Sasuke do a 180 becoming the good guy out of nowhere is fucking ridiculous. Having Pain be manipulated by Obito. Obito be manipulated by Madara. Madara be manipulated by Black Zetsu and now having Kaguya as the main villain is BAD writing. It makes each of his villains seem like fucking nitwits who can be easily tricked it's soooo baad.
- #175
I personally think Kishimoto is a genius, and yes I believe he had a lot of this planned out from the start. Just god damn all these plot twists and deceptions, never really seen anything like it in any show, except maybe Lost. Naruto is the Lost of anime pretty much, probably why I love it so much. I still think we haven't heard the whole truth, since we know virtually nothing about Kaguya herself, so I'm looking forward to more mind bending twists. Props to Kishi having Black Zetsu be the true mastermind behind everything.
:O hello fellow Dream eater
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meh, i personally found this chapter a bit boring. at-least in contrast to the last one. and "we have to use THAT technique now" was a bit corny and lame =3=
- #177
ssjokg said:
You KNOW this will end with a talk no jutsu.
Whats wrong with that?It is lame beyond belief when every main villain, who actually isnt the real villain, is defeated by the hypocrisy of a teenager.
Well except Orochimaru....He just changed sides for no real reason at all thanks to Kishi, just like Sasuke did