Naruto Chapter 681 Discussion

Now I see... Obito is still alive if he used Izanagi to revive himself like Madara. I was wondering what was the point of Kishi having team 7 save Obito's body. He'll probably wake up after the war is over -___-

I doubt but since Black Zetzu said Madara can make it so he activates Izanagi at a later time I wonder if he would make it so in a few chapters he will activate Izanagi and help fight Black Zetzu and Kagyua. Unlikely to happen but I just don't want to see Madara going down that easily after he destroyed everybody =P Knowing Kishi though it could  happen since he really seems to enjoy pulling random stuff out of his ass

Is it just me, or has another plot hole been introduced?  Madara used Izanagi to revive himself, thus sacrificing his right eye....  Then whose right eye does he have now?  I'm pretty sure that it was mentioned somewhere that he was waiting to get back both of his original eyes, but how could the right eye be original if it was used for Izanagi...?

Reason why Naruto has lost it's quality with last few chapters is overusage of Black Zetsu. It doesn't matter that it was/was not implied that he had bigger role in this story, problem lies elsewhere. Every time Kishimoto needs to kickstart a story again, he uses Black Zetsu (Or even White Zetsul).

Kishimoto needed to revive 4 kage- use Zetsu stored inside Sasuke; Kishimoto turned Obito good and needed to force him for a few chapters to be bad- use Black Zetsu to control him; Kishimoto needed a few more chapters so he can milk the cow- Let Black Zetsu steal Minato's Kyuubi; Obito overpowered Black Zetsu's will so he can make some more good, let few chapters pass and use Black Zetsu again; Kishimoto needed to make biggest and lamest plot twists of them all- Use Black Zetsu to turn Madara into Kaguya; Kishimoto needed to cover plot holes he created- Give Black Zetsu bigger role. There are even more examples, but I think I made my point.



Worst of all, we never thought Black Zetsu had bigger role (At least I didn't), and also, I found him extremely annoying whenever he showed up into scene. Always there to make some plot twist to keep the wheel spinning. This was completely unnecessary, to have appearance of Kaguya. Madara was there before, and he was there during almost whole last arc. And even then, he had wast potential. Kishimoto could have used him in so many ways, and yet he killed him off in like 4 pages. Obito was kicking around more chapters than Madara pages. I mean WHAT THE FUCK??? Had he used him to have final fight, Naruto would have had great ending. I don't care if he had used cliches. Power of friends- sure, why not; Talk-no-jutsu- Hell, even that would have been better than Kaguya appearance. I just don't understand what did Kishimoto gain by inserting Kaguya into this story...

Toasted-Reason said:
sullynathan said:
The main villain (Orochimaru) turned out to not be the main villain. Turns out the main villain was (Pain) who actually wasn’t the real villain (it was Nagato) who turned out not to be the main villain. It was actually the idiot (Tobi) who turned out not to be an idiot and was the real threat of the series (Obito) who turned out to not be the main villain but was a servant to the real villain (Madara) who was fighting because he read crap on a stone just recently was betrayed the real main villain (Black Zetsu) who turns out to be the son and manipulated all of history for his mother the actual real real real villain who is also the Juubi (Kaguya)



Makes perfect sense, right? I honestly did not know how to even BEGIN to react to this horrid ass-pull. I just... I just don't know! I mean things have been dragged out and going downhill for a while, but this! I want to keep enjoying this series I've been following for YEARS, but with this kind of ending...

And then the wonderful deus ex machina of "an all-powerful, SECRET technique?!" comes next week. Sweet.



JizzyHitler said:
you know i was too bothered by this black zetsu kaguya crap that i kind of forgot how stupid the entirety of this series' antagonists were. Seeing it put in lamens terms really puts that in perspective.My thoughts exactly, hell i was really liking those later chapters, but this, it s just WAY too much. Dissapointing, at least :/ 3/5

Ryukatsuka said:
jpem said:
TonyTonyStark said:
"He happened to exist before so that proves anything happening as not an asspull"



Great reasoning guys..Yeah seriously.

You guys are terrible at this. 'Him simply happening to exist' isn't, and shouldn't be, any sort of validation for these latest 'asspulls' as you so eloquently put. There have been a lot of instances in this story where certain actions Zetsu did implied that he played a more significant role in things, and the example I gave, is probably just one of many we have missed and overlooked.



It's not a matter of him existing since the start, that proves these latest developments. It's the subtle foreshadowment that was used involving his character that now make his actions more fathomable. Please don't continue to misinterpret things.



Well, tell me if i am wrong. Madara clearly said he was "inserted" his will. Don't you think Madara became so stupid that he able to plot things with Obito but failed to noticed that BZ is something different even with Uchiha's proud Sharingan? nah, first of all. Where this Kaguya the one who created BZ while Madara was implied the one who created it with saying "inserted", as if it common sense IF BZ came in front of Madara and claiming he was Madara's will thus trusting BZ, that's nonsense. He claimed he come out of Gedo Mazou in front of Madara, but something like that truly suspicious because he the only one who have black color, That's too much inconsistency.



And the more absurd one is the "teach Izanagi with sharingan" clear asspull or maybe you can call it plot device. I really can't understand what the meaning of that, elaborate it to mi if you did understand it. Maybe in the future, Kishimoto will create another bullshit like "Izanagi-ed left eye with right eye" or "Izanagi-ed both eyes so no eye goes blind".

Man it seems like each chapter is getting worse and worse :

Kaguya's Tears !! ..

The ultimate truth reveals!!

Black zetsu as the secret creator of this shinobi's story!? ... woah..

The Whole backstory telling was awesome!! its like deceiving from beginning!! What a TWIST!

"I hate you ..." from kaguya looks cute!!

Well... Naruto is awesome!!

Pretty good chapter!!!