Bleach Chapter 619 Discussion

Juhabach almost sounded like Aizen for a moment there; telling Ichigo he has been watching all his movements.



That Ishida.. Goddamnit, what the hell are you doing indeed! >.<

Lol I swear if Bach says "with these eyes of mine" one more time....



Even if he doesn't mean half the shit he's saying, Bach is boring as sin.  Totally hollow developments just throwing shit at Ichigo to see what sticks.  He'll probably fall for it like an idiot just to make Bach look smart.   





I want Aizen to kill the motherfucker already!

The_Bif said:
Trollzen said:
Why do people think that Ywach has said the same thing as Aizen? Aizen said that he planned everything that happened to Ichigo. What Ywach was saying is that everything Ichigo did was to his benefit. (In this case the result being Ichigo end up killing the Soul king) But if you don't really care about the Manga it is easy to think they said the same thing.



But it will be interesting, if Ichigo's and Ywach's will is connected then Ywach should be able to control him in some ways. But Ichigo is not just a quincy so he shouldn't be able to control him, but then why mention it?



I'm not sure where you read the chapter, but you missed some pretty vital bits of their conversation.  The first page of it basically says what you are saying...



Bach:  Do you follow?

Bach:  That is because...  There is no need to even think about it.

Bach:  Your will everything, it is connected to my will.



Ichigo:  What do you mean...



Bach:  What I'm saying... Is that you have been fighting all this time for me.



Bach:  When you awakened as a Shinigami your fight was with yourself, battling to

increase your own power...

Bach:  Icreasing your own power so that you could defeat Aizen Sousuke.

Bach:  And then...  You once again reclaimed...  the power to defeat Aizen Sousuke,

which you had lost...  By cutting down the Spirit King before my eyes!



Then it is interrupted by Yoruichi...



Yoruichi:  It's a trick, Ichigo!  Don't let him confuse you!



Bach:  And which part of what I said is a trick?!



Bach:  Without even having to think about it...  I can still see, clear as day,

the image of you dancing for me as I pulled the strings...  No matter what you

may think, everything you have done...  Was with my consent ...All of it...

Bach:  It is all because you and I, Ichigo...  We have the same blood flowing

through our veins!



This part is Bach telling Ichigo that he's been controlling him the entire time, that everything has been because he allowed it, because he wanted it, that everything Ichigo has been doing was his will.  This is exactly what Aizen told Ichigo during their battle, Aizen said it in a much more sophisticated way with cultured arrogance but it's the same thing, regardless.



What is the difference between saying "I planned everything that has happened to you" and "I have been pulling your strings the entire time"?  Nothing other than the words used to form the sentence.



Ywach means quincy power Ichigo (old man) come from Ywach

what is problem if he said the same words, that's mean his planned everything not the liar Aizen

Just read the chapter, just to be clear Yourichi is not dead, right? Yup Yourichi is dead just like Law is dead, Kubo wouldn't do that, would he? If she has as popular in Japan as she is here, Kubo it nuts, remember when he tried to kill off Byakura.



Uryu finally did something, but I still don't get it, one thing to get rid of the Soul Society, to get rid of Hueco Mundo, but the living world, is he actually cool with that, I just can't image that, he has some plan.



Anyway fine chapter, but Yourichi better not be dead, or Kubo really got some guts.

yhunata said:
See, what'd I tell ya?

Someone has to correct the bs people are spouting.



yhunata said:
ichii_1 said:
Just stop.

Lol you expected Yoruichi to even scratch his Majesty? XD lmfao XD

And Ichigo is currently being lectured by Yhwach about his softness, that's what the whole talk was about.

And the gang is currently on hold since against yhwach they can't win, they'll fight the RG (who lost on purpose I bet) or We Dem Boyz.



Yoruichi is supposed to be one of the strongest characters in this series, a master at hand-to-hand combat and ninja.... yet she somehow can't sense an arrow coming her way or notice a huge-ass pile of shit nobody sneaking up behind her.



Ichigo is an idiot, since he's apparently been used by others his entire life. Literally nothing he's done was done because he wanted to, but because Aizen/Ywach planned that he would.



And the rest of the gang is plain useless. It's pointless to even argue about that.... other than Orihime with her currently useless "Death is nothing" move.



Yoruichi doesn't have her zanpakuto for some reason and that just shows how powerful Ishida is, he would murk her one on one low diff.



Their goals aligned that's why Ichigo doesn't care that he was used, he wanted power, if anything he's glad that they interfered, except for his mother's death of course.



The gang will stall, scratch them or something which is still useful.

Orihime's power >> God's power



yhunata said:
ichii_1 said:
Bankai is a 10x multiplier, he has hollow and quincy powers, at best he'll stalemate for now, haschwalt, uryuu and yhwach is too much.

More training , yeahhh XD



What hollow? Don't you mean his "Zanpakutou"? Apparently you forgot but Whitey's not his hollow, according to Kubo. And Quincy powers are exactly what I meant by bullshit power-up.

Whitey is both his hollow and zanpakuto.

I'm sure anything that happens will be an asspull for you.

I just want to see Aizen...

G_Spark233 said:
Hahaha Juha pulled an Aizen in this chapter! God this is Naruto all over again with all these "masterminds" XD

at least naruto pulled it better unlike bleach that has no real explanation and i cant even see the connection between ywach and aizen. well at least not yet. my disappointment grows bigger as i read chapters. sigh

Lol, this almost reminds me back when Uryu first met Ichigo..



That talk had some twisted dialogues in it.