Bleach Chapter 552 Discussion

BlackSCREEN said:
aw454wtr said:
If hollow powers are poison to qunicies how was Kirge able to absorb Ayon in hueco mundo?

He absorbed his body, I mean material he's make of.

I've done some research. :)

"Uses the most basic ability to gather Reishi in the most powerful way, by enslaving it. It can literally tear away the components that make up spiritual based objects such as those that make up Hueco Mundo and Soul Society as well as the bodies of spiritual beings."



So kirge wore ayon like a peice of armor?

looks like Urahara is writing bleach again, and making everything go his way with his genius.

aw454wtr said:
If hollow powers are poison to qunicies how was Kirge able to absorb Ayon in hueco mundo?Exactly! And according to this latest chapter Masaki should have died instantly from having that hollow inside her.

@zybactik Hey man mind telling me who the dude with a nose bleed in your sig is? He looks badass.

kizu-kun said:
zybactik said:

I went into this discussion thread, 'cause I knew I would not be the only one to notice that terrible plot hole in the last chapter. However, having gone through the previous conversation I’m pretty sure there is nothing wrong. There are three generic problems being discussed:

1. The possibility of co-existence for shinigami+hollow+quincy powers;
   
   
2. What is poisonous and what’s not, for quincies in terms of hollows;
   
   
3. How can this pill workout on a stolen bankai;

Let’s start with some key facts, we’ve already been given:

1. Quincies do not have the antibodies to combat hollow cells or other body parts (e.i. soul). As Kisuke said: “Everything about a hollow is a poison for quincy.”
   
   
2. To eradicate hollows quincies have elaborated specific offensive techniques. Those techniques are based on gathering outside energy and forming an arrow or something else and kill the hollow. They do not input their own reishi into that.
   
   
3. Bankai is final form of the zanpakto spirits, but at the same time the spirit itself has been created from the wielder’s soul, through countless years of being together. Stealing a bankai means getting it into your own possession. Even wielder’s death would not strip the stolen bankai from quincy.

These two facts may explain the following:

• What is poisonous for a quincy is a particle of hollow within their own body, same goes for their soul. That also explains why quincies have mostly arrows as their main weapon – a direct contact with the hollow will be fatal for them. On the other hand, they have no problem using the outside energy/reiatsu, be it even hollow’s, for forming an arrow. There is no direct contact with the hollow itself, or with its soul. So:
  
  
  
  
  
  • Most likely Ayon was used as an armor, or shield, nothing more (the only little problem here is that there still was direct contact and Ayon punched Kirge real good).
    
    
  • Arrancars can be turned into quinces, as this would mean only teaching them the skills and techniques, used by quincies. Learning and using those would not destroy and arrancar as the outside energy is used, the arrancar himself does not come in contact with the arrow he created.
  
  
  
• While quincies are not able to resist the hollows’ poison, but shinigamis can. Not entirely but still. They are able to turn into a soul hybrid. So:
  
  
  
  
  
  • When Misaki was bitten by the hollow, it was a soul hybrid, who had a shinigami core. No wonder instead of soul suicide she started to hollify (which is impossible for quincies). Because, apart from the hollow particles she also received the shinigami means of defense as well as ability to co-exist with the hollow part. That may also explain why the process was slowed down in her case.
    
    
  • Moreover, in Misaki’s case she still needed all of the Kurosaki’s Isshin’s shinigami powers to more or less hold off the hollow poison in her and not trigger the soul suicide. But Ichigo inherited the hollow and quincy power from mother and enough shinigami power from father to hold of mommy’s genes. That makes Ichigo a perfect blend. And that may be the reason why Bach calls him his son. Bach created quincy, but who said he is a quincy himself? He uses a sword, not ranged weapons. Most likely he too is a blend of shinigami+quincy+hollow.
  
  
  
• When stealing a bankai that quincy would literary steal part of the shinigami’s soul and even maintain it after the owner’s death.
  
  
  
  • Bach intentionally ordered those who stole the bankai’s to kill their owners with their own hands. Most likely that would be needed for severing a link between the capitan and his bankai. So that it can be maintained after the owner’s death.
    
    
  • Ichigo’s, as well as vizards’, bankai can be stolen. They even tried it with Ichigo, but failed. But it is not because of the hollow part in Ichigo. On the contrary, most likely it is his quincy part that prevented retrieving Ichigo’s bankai.
    
    
  • Stealing vizard’s, as well as Ichigo’s, bankai would not be fatal for a quincy. Same as in case of Misaki, with the stolen bankai a quincy will get not only hollow poison, but the shinigami defensive mechanism as well. They will be weakened greatly, but not dead.
    
    
  • That being said, the pill will not kill a quincy with bankai, but the quincy would most likely reject it as too risky to maintain. That’s why it might get back to it’s owner, and that’s how Kisuke expects to protect others’ bankais.

That almost works for me expect for the part about the pills working is fast as they did. The hollow White is essentially just a hollowfied zanpakutou and Misaki was able to function normally for almost 24 hours without ever being purified. Also the whole nonchalant attitude Ryuken had after watching Misaki get bitten by a hollow is weird sense he had no idea White was a hybrid. Seems like they kinda over-hyped the poisonous effects on quincy. If Misaki getting bitten by a hollow is no cause for alarm for Ryuken then are hollows really that dangerous to the quincy existence? Seems like they have a very large window of opportunity to get treated. Anyway, this will have to do for now but if next week Cang Du is on the ground coughing up blood from being exposed to a fraction of hollow power I call BS.



Yes, but the Hollow was made differently, as said it was made with a Shinigami as its base, so she was affected differently than if she were hurt by a normal hollow. As for his reaction, I'm not too sure, he did react, but that was when he realized it truly was messing with Misaki. I think that Urahara was probably over-selling the damage Hollows do to Quincies, while everything he said was true, it probably only happens if they take a mortal wound, which could possibly be why Ryuuken wasn't too upset about it at first since Misaki appeared and acted to be fine.

Kuchenlight said:
I love how people, trying to defend Kubo's random nonsensical mess, read so much into stuff Kubo has probably been thinking an hour or two about, ignoring plot holes left and right.

lmao i was just thinking the same. trying to apply logic to the world of bleach is an exercise in futility. reishi and kido still don't make any logical sense and these beans that kubo probably came up with in a matter of minutes most definitely don't. it's just bleach guys...learn to turn off your brain to an extent.

I should have left logic at the door 351 chapters ago.



Now I am going to shut down my brain and read the remainder of Bleach with a smile on my face. :D

Oh, so does that mean Vizards(Rose and Shinji) could use their bankais all along? Oh, Urahara, you silly bastard, we could use that info earlier. :)