Bleach Chapter 552 Discussion

Wannabiteme said:


They don't damage bankai but quincies





Ichigo is still partially a Quincy.

And given that Kubo never fucking explains anything about the soul aging process or other integral parts of his race framework but instead just makes up random crap that tries to avoid the main issue we won't get a sufficient answer anyway.



Wonderweiss92 said:
Nidhoeggr said:
>Hollow cells are poison to Quincies and damage Bankai

>Ichigo uses a Bankai



Fuck you, Kubo.

Ichigo isn't just a Quincy he is a hybrid between Quincy and Shinigami so it doesn't apply for him. How about thinking before writing?



Because that's how genes work...

Btw, why are Hollows/arrancars trained to have Quincy powers in HM then?

Once you get a bit more into the whole Urahara explanation you realize this fucks up a whole lot about everything that has been previously stated in the manga.

But then again, this is Bleach: Kubo makes the plot up as he goes along with... whatever he think looks cool.

Time to strike back!

Pretty good chapter. I like the explanation made and at least for me it makes a little sense.



Masaki survival. She was human (lots of humans near her) in the first place and then pure blood quincy. This could slow down the process but the poison was still spreading within her body. Should Urahara not help her the hollow would have devoured her soul and kill her.



I don't think Allon should be classified as hollow. The again his reiatsu was of hollow origin so maybe it had some effect on him. Would Opie survive long after this fight if Urahara / Grimmjow didn't finish him off? Maybe the process of Soul Suicide already started in him. Opie went all out in that fight with Volstanding. This could also slow the process.



Ichigo resistance to Soul Suicide. That he inherited from his mother and father. It could also be that he perfected it. After the flashback mini arc Ichigo met his new Asauchi. It had hollow mask. It's like Ichigo perfected Aizen experiment and merged his hollow and shinigami power into one. Ichigo new Bankai could be a Ressurection type.



I'm trying to hard here >_< What I want to say is that Ichigo is Human, Soul Hybrid and Quincy. Ichigo was born as human. He inherited Quincy blood and Hollow reiatsu from his mother and Shinigami reiatsu from his father.

Soul Hybrid is when your Hollow power acts as Shinigami power. They are one and the same. Again Ichigo Asauchi had a hollow mask.



Ichigo still runs on Urahara experiment with Masaki. His soul is in balance thanks to being human with Quincy blood and having hollow and shinigami reiatsu fused into one.



I want to see what other effect this new hollowfied Bankai will have on Cang Du. Just because a wing fell off and blood came out is not enough for now. What I hope the most in this case is that Shinigami wont get their Bankai back right away :D



With this new revelations made in the chapter I start to think that Komamura secret technique could involve some sort of hollowfication or use of hollow reiatsu. :D

Struggling through dozens of chapters against Quincies? How about a pill that solves all your problem?

I went into this discussion thread, 'cause I knew I would not be the only one to notice that terrible plot hole in the last chapter. However, having gone through the previous conversation I’m pretty sure there is nothing wrong. There are three generic problems being discussed:

1. The possibility of co-existence for shinigami+hollow+quincy powers;
   
   
2. What is poisonous and what’s not, for quincies in terms of hollows;
   
   
3. How can this pill workout on a stolen bankai;

Let’s start with some key facts, we’ve already been given:

1. Quincies do not have the antibodies to combat hollow cells or other body parts (e.i. soul). As Kisuke said: “Everything about a hollow is a poison for quincy.”
   
   
2. To eradicate hollows quincies have elaborated specific offensive techniques. Those techniques are based on gathering outside energy and forming an arrow or something else and kill the hollow. They do not input their own reishi into that.
   
   
3. Bankai is final form of the zanpakto spirits, but at the same time the spirit itself has been created from the wielder’s soul, through countless years of being together. Stealing a bankai means getting it into your own possession. Even wielder’s death would not strip the stolen bankai from quincy.

These two facts may explain the following:

• What is poisonous for a quincy is a particle of hollow within their own body, same goes for their soul. That also explains why quincies have mostly arrows as their main weapon – a direct contact with the hollow will be fatal for them. On the other hand, they have no problem using the outside energy/reiatsu, be it even hollow’s, for forming an arrow. There is no direct contact with the hollow itself, or with its soul. So:
  
  
  
  
  
  • Most likely Ayon was used as an armor, or shield, nothing more (the only little problem here is that there still was direct contact and Ayon punched Kirge real good).
    
    
  • Arrancars can be turned into quinces, as this would mean only teaching them the skills and techniques, used by quincies. Learning and using those would not destroy and arrancar as the outside energy is used, the arrancar himself does not come in contact with the arrow he created.
  
  
  
• While quincies are not able to resist the hollows’ poison, but shinigamis can. Not entirely but still. They are able to turn into a soul hybrid. So:
  
  
  
  
  
  • When Misaki was bitten by the hollow, it was a soul hybrid, who had a shinigami core. No wonder instead of soul suicide she started to hollify (which is impossible for quincies). Because, apart from the hollow particles she also received the shinigami means of defense as well as ability to co-exist with the hollow part. That may also explain why the process was slowed down in her case.
    
    
  • Moreover, in Misaki’s case she still needed all of the Kurosaki’s Isshin’s shinigami powers to more or less hold off the hollow poison in her and not trigger the soul suicide. But Ichigo inherited the hollow and quincy power from mother and enough shinigami power from father to hold of mommy’s genes. That makes Ichigo a perfect blend. And that may be the reason why Bach calls him his son. Bach created quincy, but who said he is a quincy himself? He uses a sword, not ranged weapons. Most likely he too is a blend of shinigami+quincy+hollow.
  
  
  
• When stealing a bankai that quincy would literary steal part of the shinigami’s soul and even maintain it after the owner’s death.
  
  
  
  • Bach intentionally ordered those who stole the bankai’s to kill their owners with their own hands. Most likely that would be needed for severing a link between the capitan and his bankai. So that it can be maintained after the owner’s death.
    
    
  • Ichigo’s, as well as vizards’, bankai can be stolen. They even tried it with Ichigo, but failed. But it is not because of the hollow part in Ichigo. On the contrary, most likely it is his quincy part that prevented retrieving Ichigo’s bankai.
    
    
  • Stealing vizard’s, as well as Ichigo’s, bankai would not be fatal for a quincy. Same as in case of Misaki, with the stolen bankai a quincy will get not only hollow poison, but the shinigami defensive mechanism as well. They will be weakened greatly, but not dead.
    
    
  • That being said, the pill will not kill a quincy with bankai, but the quincy would most likely reject it as too risky to maintain. That’s why it might get back to it’s owner, and that’s how Kisuke expects to protect others’ bankais.

What...



I clearly remember the Hitler looking Quincy in Hueco Mundo absorbing Ayon.



Kisuke is the mastermind again, but Kubo really trips on his asspulls.

Nidhoeggr said:
>Hollow cells are poison to Quincies and damage Bankai

>Ichigo uses a Bankai



Fuck you, Kubo.

Ichigo isn't just a Quincy he is a hybrid between Quincy and Shinigami so it doesn't apply for him. How about thinking before writing?

So those Quincies does have a weakness and it looks like this is one of the reason why none of them were able to steal Ichigo,Vaizard and Arrancar bankai !!