SasAlexander said:
Sephirous said:
if zangetsu isn't the true form of his zanpakuto , then why the hell did ichigo had to fight him to get the bankai ? and why couldn't he use bankai when zangetsu was released from him by muramasa .... and now ichigo has quincy, fullbring ,soul reaper and hollow powers and yet his quincy power is the one in charge.. damn it now we have to wait till next chapter to hear the story from zangetsu.
This! Yeah, what the frak? And also, old man Zangetsu appeared for Ichigo during the fight against Kenpachi, and Yoruichi stated that when you see your Zanpakutou ouside your inner world, than you are ready for the bankai. So, if the old man is the quincy power, why did he appear for the bankai training? Kubo, I get the feeling you screwed up something. Okay, stay calm, maybe something about this will be revealed, like some other inconsistencies, I will jsut have to wait for it.
BTW, everyone freaks out about old man Zangetsu's true colors, but what about the other plot twist? The hollow, that bit Ichigo's mother was "artificially made from piling up shinigami souls", the same way this smith guy make Asauchis. And makes Zanpakutou for shinigami. So......... The Zanpakutou, the shinigamis' weapon, the sword is made from a hollow made from shinigami souls? Eeek! That's sick!
While not real "Zangetsu", Old Man is still manifestation of Ichigo's power.
The thing is , Ichigo's power can't be defined as' "shinigami" or as a "zanpakuto". Its a mix and match of shinigami, hollow and quincy stuff. Since whole arcs before showcased that Ichigo's power is a whole composed of smaller parts that need to be balanced, its simply one facet of Ichigo's power teaching Ichigo to use the other. Its still part of who Ichigo is.
as for asauchi part - wrong. We don't know HOW Nimaya makes them exactly, but simply Aizen was trying to replicate it, it seems, for whatever reason, which kind of makes sense since he wanted to create Kings Key, a royal guard and that's all in powers and who you are. And he succeeded on with Ichigo.
Also there's a strong implication that Aizen was aware of Bach's existence and counted Bach as an enemy too, considering WHEN he started his experiments.
I foresee Ichigo getting Aizen's help in near future when they need to face Bach(and soul king afterward, most likely, as we still do not know what led to the whole quincy/shinigami war as there's strong implication that what we know is nothing more but a propaganda by "victors" of the said war, as both sides had their own reasons to do it)