Bleach Chapter 537 Discussion

Yemi_Hikari said:
As j0x pointed out, Ichigo knows blunt without any training, something that Isshin said only a full blood Quincy obtains naturally.



That's where your whole theory fail.

Knowing something without any training means that it is something inherent to you, something you knows since birth. A full blood quincy can use blut as easily as lifting an arm, as it was a part of his own body. It is not something he needs to learn at all, even without any education he should be able to inherently do it.

Ichigo never used blut in his past fight and he almost died I don't know how many time.

The reason is simple : He didn't know how to use blut.

Ichigo is a genius when it comes to learning. Let's me remind you that he always did what other people takes years to do in a matter of days or even hours. Seeing Kirge use blut in addition to the explanation of how the technique work by Urahara was enough for Ichigo to learn it at that time. That's right, he learned it, he didn't inherently know it.

Therefore Ichigo is not a pure blood quincy, add to that the fact that he cannot be a pure blood quincy because his father isn't one and the fact that surviving the holy selection do not means that you are a pure blood quincy but are recognised as being a quincy worth living by Bach as well as some other information that point towards it and the debate is pretty much done. Ichigo is not a full blood quincy.

Archnemesis said:


And yes i agree with your definition of speculation, but the point is you're still speculating about things that are fact.



Please stop referring to ichigo as juha's son. He isn't. He is juha's descendant. Else i'd expect you to call every quincy alive his son, or your being inconsistent. (you aren't your great-great-great-great-grandfathers son are you? only in terms of being genetic biology - you sitll haven't expalined how quincy dont follow normal bloodlines btw)



im only speculating on the provided evidences of current and previous chapters, it says on this chapter that Quincies literally all have the blood of Juha Bach (literally) so it implies they got abnormal heredity, and again i know the basics about how heredity (DNA/genes) work its just that the Holy Selection proves that the Quincies heredity is different than the usual heredity we all know so yes all Quincies can be Juha Bach's child too (so in Juha Bach's perspective every Quincy is his child) but ye i agree that the formal father of Ichigo is Isshin too



and about Ichigo being pure blooded i will just keep it to myself from now on until a chapter proves or disprove it, Tite Kubo or any other author will not just say random things about pure blooded quincies and blut connection just to confuse the readers anyway

One thing thats strange me... So, Ichigo inherited both the Hollow, as well as the soul balancing ties from Isshin... If this stuff is inherited, then why are the ties not on either of his sisters? We know they aren't on the sisters, since neither of them have hollowified, yet Isshin is free (we know ichigos ties where broken because he fully hollowfied) So, this would imply that the hollow was completely transferred to ichigo and neither of the sisters received it... But, if it was completely transferred to ichigo, then his mother would no longer be an impure quincy... However, the fact the hollow wasn't passed down to the two of them does show how they inherited far less power than ichigo, who knows what powers they even have passed on.

well nice chapter



But what now? Ichigo still needs his sword back. How is that gonna happen? O.O

j0x said:
Dr_Smurph said:


My point is we shouldn't confirm things till they are actually confirmed. Same with your pure blood theory.



thats why i said almost confirmed and i never said my speculations are facts



its just this chapter said that Blut is a skill of pure blooded quincies which Ichigo used when he fight against Juha Bach (but mixed blooded quincies can get that skill too through training although Ichigo never did undergo quincy training until now, i guess Ichigo will undergo quincy training in the near future)



and no im not the only person that comes up with this speculations either



You use the world confirm a lot "confirm: to establish the truth, accuracy, validity, or genuineness of; corroborate; verify:", confirm is a strong word towards something being fact. You strongly use it over and over.



Blut wasn't something Ichigo used naturally and it was also stated that when he was trapped by that quincy that he might of absorbed some of the power as he struggled hard to get out.



Just because he used Blut once doesn't mean it comes naturally to him or he will be able to use it easily in the future without further training.



Ichigo progresses faster than the average person in this show as show time and time again.



Sure you're not the only one who made those claims, just one that was very strongly discussing it a lot.



Bare in mind I am not attacking you nor do I mean ill will just stating that something isn't confirmed at all till it is actually confirmed clearly in the chapter itself.

Good chapter.

So that's what happened.



Damn u Juha Bach!!! U're a BOSS XD

Lol at him being everyone's father XDXD



First Beelzebub and now here. Why the hell do these mangaka want us to be mindfucked about friends turning to the bad side?? Really wondering if Uryuu has a hidden reason?

Its been shown that ichigo rarely needs formal training to learn techniques. He usually gets the grasp of it while fighting. He saw Blut Vene being used, and in the moment he needed it, his innate quincy powers instinctively brought it forth. Visualising it was his training. The same way urahara figured out the Bullet shot yammy used after being fired 3 times.



And dude i didnt rage at you for speculating. Im raging at you for not getting it when its so blatantly obvious. This is how the discussion feels

us: 1+1=2

you: no it said 1+1=3!

us: Look, it shows us here that its 1+1=2

you: no its 3!

*back and forth*

you: ok maybe its 2, but it could still be 3. No, no, its 3.



-_-

I was expecting a more complicated reason for her death but fine... I guess this will do...