Bleach Chapter 515 Discussion

Trexx25 said:
I've been a die hard supporter of Bleach since chapter 1, but this was BY FAR the worst chapter I've ever read. I really cannot believe Byakuya did not die!! After that long drawn out, page wasting, emotional spill about how humiliating it was for him to ask for help as he lay there waiting for certain death's embrace, the mother fucker is still kicking!! What a load of horse shit!! This chapter now makes Byakuya look like a little whining weak baby back bitch.The only mildly relevant information in the whole fucking chapter was that Urahara is apparently in a bad situation not being able to speak to anyone, he is more than likely captured by somebody.



What a giant fucking waste of a weeks worth of waiting for almost nothing plot worthy to happen, besides mentioning Kurotsuchi and Urahara. This is seriously stupid. I swear to God that if I had the opportunity, I would make Hihio Zabimaru bite off Kubo Tite's Dick!! .75/5



I have to admit I am not too keen on the survival of Byakuya but I am intrigued by the plot possibilities this gives for Renji and Rukia - if Byakuya is rendered useless, mentally damaged vegetable, its very nice way to drive the realism of war home as well as set up him to actually die in his last act of protection for those two(possibly as human shield).



So I'd take a wait-and-see approach if I were you...

Kanic said:
since there exists a certain maiden capable to undo everything...oh well.



Certain maiden who:

1. Can't return lost powers.

2. Is limited by reiatsu in terms of what she can undo.

3. Is currently in unknown state in HM in a very very fishy situation.

4. Can't repair minds.



Kanic said:
Fai said:


I am loving the set up of Ichigo as "inspiration figure" for SS more and more. There's no bullshit of messianic feat crap like in certain other manga



All big 3 are identical in this matter. Please people, I'm begging you stop using comparisons as an actual arguement. It's not. You make it sound as if one manga is great only because the others are bad (which is all based on subjectivity). All big 3 use the idea of the messia.



Compare it with Naruto.



Naruto is destined gods knows what who comes in the middle of battle to own stuff and suddenly everyone likes him. His heritage is something that makes him messianic and looked upon by others. Its done for the sake of him being main character and does not really make any other sense. Then any sort of interesting plot ideas that might be created from this were squandered by the way they handled it and then zombies  and all the peaceful hugging started and I was just done with it.



Ichigo is just this dude with interesting parents who just happened to arrive in time for the badguys to leave.  His quincy heritage might as well be his doom from oldschool shinigami.  And it fits the situation - SS is demotivated by the loss of their leader, thus new source of morale is needed. Also it opens up at least 10 interesting plotpoints that I can think of right here and right now. It litterally feels like something that COULD happen in medieval times if you remove all the superpowers - a man is placed into unlikely position due to timing and has to live up to it.





I know that the whole "chosen one" is the basic old trope of shounen genre, but the way they handled Ichigo so far struck me as nicer and far more compelling than the two other examples of Naruto and One Piece.  Its far more tangible.





EDIT:

Frankly, could this imply some sort of "split" for SS?



- Shunsui wants to continue peace Yamaji built.

- Unohana might turn out to be quite bloodthirsty and vengeful and she was not in the captain meeting.

- Ichigo is a quincy/shinigami and pretty much an idol of morale for SS, possibly representing coexistence between quincies and shinigami along the way.



The question remains on who would take the "oldschool" stance and who would embrace the new way once Ichigo's heritage is revealed.  For once there are far too many ways those characters(especially Unohana) could react to this to predict it and that fascinates me.



People are far too busy raging over Byakuya to realize just what kind of bigger-picture possibilities did this chapter give us.

The aftermath was handled more subtly than I thought, which is a good thing.



- Urahara and crew confirmed O.K. in Hueco Mundo!

- Ichigo heads to Mayuri

- Rukia noticing something up with Ichigo.

- The captains fluttering emotions at the loss of their leader, and Kyouraku's resolve.

- Unohana and the 4th squad were ordered to stay back

- Last but not least, Byakuya is alive.  I honestly thought he would stay dead and it may have been the right choice to keep him dead, but for some reason I felt a little relief inside when I heard that.

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What, Byakuya is still alive, are you fucking kidding us?! What's so bad about Kenpachi's state that he might not be able to fight anymore? Also, did I miss or forget it but Shinji can perform surgeries?



Kyouraku looks even cooler with his eyepatch, I hope he will become the next captain commander.

I've been a die hard supporter of Bleach since chapter 1, but this was BY FAR the worst chapter I've ever read. I really cannot believe Byakuya did not die!! After that long drawn out, page wasting, emotional spill about how humiliating it was for him to ask for help as he lay there waiting for certain death's embrace, the mother fucker is still kicking!! What a load of horse shit!! This chapter now makes Byakuya look like a little whining weak baby back bitch.The only mildly relevant information in the whole fucking chapter was that Urahara is apparently in a bad situation not being able to speak to anyone, he is more than likely captured by somebody.



What a giant fucking waste of a weeks worth of waiting for almost nothing plot worthy to happen, besides mentioning Kurotsuchi and Urahara. This is seriously stupid. I swear to God that if I had the opportunity, I would make Hihio Zabimaru bite off Kubo Tite's Dick!! .75/5

grandy_UiD said:


Speaking of Yoruichi...where is she? Have we seen her in this arc already?



The disadvantage of a huge cast.



And, yes agreed on the fact that Soi Fon 's reaction was out of character. Is she a woman of the military or not? heck she is supposed to be the head of Bleach's CIA.

Ha ha, this fucking Kubo eating his own words, he's worse than a politician.



Also, what's the reason for Yamaji to give that insane order to the 4th division?

At least we got one death, although not fully confirmed (heck he may even be reborn).

But Yamamoto’s body being missing/destroyed saves time and allows a for a lesser break. We would have had to have a funeral/remembrance type chapter/s to give him a proper send off.

That can now happen later….Now we can focus on the aftermath of battle plus the new revelations/worry that ichigo is going through.



Byakuya is a big/popular character to kill off at the same time as Yamamoto and again we would have a funeral/remembrance type of chapter/s.

We are all frustrated after big fights that no one dies when they could of in the past, but there is a long way to go and this arc is not going to end anytime soon.

But there was also nothing to suggest that Byakuya was dying or dead - yes he was badly injured, but not mangled or chopped up. Sure Byakuya will come back to use his Bankai this time to fight and then die :) ...we wish...



Kira was forgotten and should be be dead. he is dead weight and has not developed in power or character. its the same for some of the others. the big fox dude and Soi Fon...what a let down with her Bankai.



What bleach needed was a new crop of up an coming/potential vice and captains.

This way characters could be killed off and new ones born.

Fai said:
Han-yuu said:


Apparently, Unohana was ordered to stay in barracks, even if everyone die in the battlefield. Greatest war tactic i ever heard.

As opposed to the medics being picked off when they are scattered around the battlefield?



In HQ all the medics were nearby the second strongest shinigami in SS (Unohana). So when one way or the other, the enemies retreated, they all had fighting  and surviving chance thanks to entire medical staff being intact.

Your posts are as funny as ever either it was in naruto threads or bleach. Anyone who read topics know how it works. "There's nothing ever goes wrong in Bleach and there's nothing ever goes right in Naruto".



Apparently, there is difference between Normal medics and Comabt medics. Which you're alreaday told but refused to accept. And i don't need to tell you, what kind of power level Unohana have because you were the one telling everyone with graphs and whatnot, just few chapters ago. Taking care of top level guys should be piece of cake for her. Also as a senior captain, she was supposed to take part in every way she can do. If there were not those handicaps like "Time-over for quincies" and "RG's are coming, re-treat", then Qunicies were going to completely annihilate SS. BUT i know you will still say it's okay for Unhohana to stay in the building and wait.



Not to mention, bleach never involved war tactics. Otherwise we wouldn't have to see four captains losing their bankai on just one page. They didn't know what they're doing in their own home and outsiders took control on everything in just one chapter. They didn't know what kind of powers enemy have yet they were going out like "shoot me if you can", Shingamis scattering all over the place without any guidance, Yamamoto to be so sure of his bankai powers to defeat Juha Bach with just one-shot. Saying that Yama-ji was scared deep inside and told Unohana to stay in the barracks because you're our last hope if something bad happen and it's war tactic is SO funny.