Bleach Chapter 509 Discussion
- Thread starter Christopher_Frost7
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- #139
Yamamoto has a big sense of honor and justice, he's the kind of guy that would rather die than do something he consider dishonorable. Yet justice is relative and probably because of that the two of them clashed in the past.
Yamamoto's justice seem to be centered around power; the strongest is justice, the winner is justice and the powerless should obey the strong ones.
Justice is moral rightfulness. Forcing the weak to submit to you, and conform to your ideals/rules because you are the most powerful, isn't noble or just. Neither is using a person's dead comrades as a meat shield to affect your opponent emotionally and psycologically. Yama-ji is a lot of things, but noble and righteous...I'm not so sure. Kubo wants us to support the Shinigami, but that doesn't mean the Shinigami are inerrently good people or right all the time.
As for those complaining about "haters," you must have a limited view of what it means to be a fan. Being a fan doesn't mean you have to like every chapter and every idea that the author has. It doesn't mean you have to like all the characters, or all the arcs, or all the dialogue. There are entire arcs of One Piece that I utterly despise, but that didn't stop me from giving the manga a 9 overall.
A forum is about discussion and an exchange of ideas and thoughts. If you can't handle people having a negative opinion about an aspect that you like, forums are not the best place for you. Even if a person states that they dislike a core part of the manga, they aren't required to write an essay justifying their feelings, nor their descision to keep reading. Everyone's opinion is legitmate.
- #140
@Kanic
No, the problem is he has the advantage over all quincy because of being mysterious.
and he threw that away.
Going full-retard is indeed memorable, but for the wrong reasons.
How is he nearing death? Age? Don't think so.
Being killed by these guys? This chapter proves otherwise.
Overusing his powers? All the more stupid. Should've used one power.
And if there's a strong power next that would kill him, now they conveniently know his powers
I was actually refering to "reading the signs" when I said nearing his death rather than what you just said. I think his death by Juha is certain. Also the medalion stealing-bankai was just shown to have as a condition that the user must know how the Bankai works. Yamamoto thinks that he just killed the only one to have seen the 100% of it. I'ts not going full retard. It's called falling for the enemy's trap.
- #141
Candor said:
It looks like mangapanda's version won the debate today. That guy is Juha Bach, therefore Yamamoto recognized him, the Quincy were also calling him your majesty and the king and stuff like that, so he is without a doubt Juha Bach. However, while looking around I found something interesting; Juha Bach's name's reference is not Johann Sebastian Bach, but his son Johann Christoph Friedrich Bach, aka the "Bückeburg Bach", as a reference to the city he used to live in. If Kubo is referencing the Bach family as a whole then what Bach meant with "Juha Bach-sama" is none other than his father.
So you are sayin that Juha DID die but there is another one named as Juha Bach and is the REAL mastermind (though a different person). I see your reasoning but I don't really like it. I mean it's been barely 30 chapters and we BARELY saw Juha in action..so what are you saying is: bring a new villain in the fray only to replace him without really giving him any proper attention and in such a small interval? Naaah. I can't bring myself to like this scenarioIt's either that or the other Juha Bach is not a person. Remember that double spread we talked about in the discussion thread for ch.500? the one where Ichigo and Aizen are flying toward "something" that looks like Juha Bach..?
- #142
- #143
They're creating more and more plot-holes, remember the 16 Quincy that are supposed to be stronger than a captain? in mangastream's version they're only 6.
Kanic said:
Candor said:
The guy who died is Juha Bach, the problem is with the translation, here's the last page again from mangastream:
Juha Bach's "I'm sorry" ended with point, which means his sentence ended, the last black panel was a voice he heard while he's dying/closing his eyes, someone was yelling "Juha Bach-sama", probably that blonde Quincy. The font is obviously yelling, not a man's word while dying. I think mangapanda did a mistake again..
Woot? Strangely enough both reader and streamer seem to coincide (for once, kakakaka...I didn't say that ). Anyway, check the ending text: "What is the meaning behind ...blah blah". If the sentence was simply "I'm sorry, I wasn't strong enough" then why the f8ck should I think about what is the meaning behind them? He's sad cuz he lost..end of story. But if Juha himself says"I"m sorry Juha Bach-sama" then it makes sense.Maybe he's talking with the blondie? Now that you guys have been talking about him I took a look at the last 4 chapters, he was analyzing Yama's bankai.
- #145
A-HAH. Exactly what I was thinking but I held my tongue cuz some chapters ago you and I were discussing about whether Juha (we were calling him the bearded-dude remember?) is indeed the Spirit King(not Soul XD). You pointed out back then that Juha might not be and that the Sternritters might not be the RG. I held back this time so as to not provoke you or anything and you say it in my face like that?
DUDE WTF?!?!? XD.
Anyway, from the above you can guess that we more or less are on the same boat. BUT there has been a lot of stuff that kinda disprove the whole Juha=S-King.
So I don't really wanna throw us back into that pit.I remember that conversation and I was convinced for a while that Bach was the soul king and the SR are the RG, but it was proven wrong in so many ways, that was a loong conversation lol. Anyway now things are clearer, but there are still some mysteries like what you said, it's just a theory anyway, let's leave it at that for now.