Bleach Chapter 509 Discussion

they are pulling a twilight princess, aizen is the final boss

So he couldn't steal Yamamoto's Bankai since he didn't know everything about it. Then why the hell did Yamamoto just reveal more of his Bankai at the end?



Also so the king wasn't actually the king. I guess it either had to be that or Yamamoto getting wrecked. Still that means a fake final boss destroyed Kenpachi

Maybe it's Tatsuki?

*yawn*

Boring.

Kanic said:
Han-yuu said:


It's actually not about planning but more basic concept, which is deceiving with a fake and getting successful results later.

Well, my original post still applies. You still mention Aizen. Hence my original post. I wasn't trying to offend you or sth. My point was exactly what I said. And also, if you feel the need to see an overall tactical plan remember Ichigo's situation. Creating a diversion in HM through which Ichigo was eliminated from the war.

Well. i just cleared my point that i was not talking about far ahead planning but deceiving. You might be right and people may think that planning word is fixed with Aizen but i don't, as long as Real Juhabach or any other villain come out and say "I was stalking you the moment you were born and yes everything is part of my plan". Then i will say, "yes. i got aizened". A bit planning like stopping Ichigo, diversions, waiting for right moment doesn't make him or any other villain Aizen in my opinion.

Candor said:


I've been wondering about these pages in addition to a sketch from repeat & reboot I can't find now (a guy with spiky hair's sketch). The first guy your post looks like a Quincy, Hiyori smelled a Shinigami, so I'm not sure it's the same guy, but one of these 2 (if they're not the same person) is probably the one who attacked Kirge, since as I mentioned previously opening a Garaganta is not simple and few are those who know how to open one.



About Bach's theory, I think I'll put it aside for now since there are still some mysteries and I'll think of the original Juha Bach as a person or just a mystery until we get further plot-points. As many people mentioned, the blondie will be the one to take control of things for now, he's not a normal subordinate after-all.



Agreed on the Juha part. I'd just like to point out one final thing. Juha has been incredibly hyped by Kubo (you know lots of color pages, flashy entrances and such) so I think that he aint gonna be pushed aside so easily. ALSO, I would like to say, in regards to the identity of the mysterious man in the begining chapters,

that we mustn't necessarilly suspect anyone and everyone as a candidate for the boss of the sternritters. May I remind you that it is HIGHLY possible that a THIRD party will be heavily involved (and I ain't talking about HM). And besides the RG we might as well consider rogue quincies who don't belong anywhere(why assume that Ishida and his dad are the only ones?)

j0x said:
Gradation said:
Fake Juha was probably there to learn about Yama's bankai, so that the real Juha can steal it later on.



you may have hit the jackpot right there

a lot of people have been speculating about Juha unleashing a double onto the battlefield in replacement for himself...but i dunno, i doubt a double juuha could one-shot Kenpachi like that...i mean if he could make a double that strong, why didn't he use his doubles (assuming he had more than one double) instead to invade soul society as opposed to some people that were clearly weaker than him (or presumably his double)? the success rate would have vastly augmented i guess...

Candor said:
I'd take it you're talking about the Royal Guard here aren't you? I'm interested to see how they fit in all this. Rogue Quincy.. dunno about that but let's see what's gonna happen.



Exactly, I am referng to the RG.When I mentioned "rogue quincies" I simply stated a possibility, a small one that I don't really believe myself.



Candor said:


Anyway from what you're saying there's a guy who's working from the shadows, manipulating Bach and the other Quincy, could be right, we'll probably get information about that next chapter, or at least we'll get something about the guy who killed Kirge.



Here's the spiky-haired guy's sketch btw, just found it:






I don't really understand who are you refering to as the spiky-hair guy. Someone we know? Maybe kaien(X-Vice captain of Shunsui, you youself said we will learn something about him and why he looks like Ichigo)



I can't agree though with the fact that someone is controlling Bach. He is a badass by nature, he recieved so much hype as a boss of the Vanderreich (forgive my spelling) and from the very first momment Kubo named him "the empire's king"(I still wanna hold onto that cuz it hyped me greatly).



Also

Candor said:
Add a Fullbring to that and you got yourself an unbeatable villain. :P





Shunpo+Sonido+Hirenkyaku+Fullbring Step technique = @_@

the chapter was interesting~ hopefully they return to Urahara soon~



i'm sorry but Kanic, do you really have to shoot down everyone's comments?

kizu-kun said:
lol just had a random thought about who could be holding up that sword to urahara. Kubo has had a few anti climatic surprise intros in the past. Like when momo showed up to help matsumoto or when Don kanoji appeared before Aizen and Gin.



Well I thought the  mysterious person that has yet to be revealed could just be hiyori XD. She did get ambushed by someone coming out of a  black portal last time we saw her. It could of been that the extra Vizards on earth are one of the war potentials and they were brought to HM. After escaping she kills that quincy guy and attacks urahara going along with their usual running gag of her not liking him.



Its a far-fetched theory but it works and also brings the remaining vizards back into the story.Urahara, Gin (he's dead), Aizen (in prison), Kurotsuchi and the Arrancar are the only ones we know who can open a Garaganta. Hiyori smelled a Shinigami's scent and a Garaganta was opened at that point, the only Shinigami who are in the living world are Isshin and Yuroichi, Urahara can't be afraid of them or they won't attack Urahara so the one who attacked Kirge is either an Arrancar (Grimmjow) or someone we don't know.

Pretty sure that it was the dude that Yamamoto beat who said that.

Kanic said:
Yamamoto acknowldged him as Juha Bach, but he says he isn't. Sooo, an illusion(again?) or some kind of clone? SO, I think we have a hint about the war potentials. People whose Bankai is of unknown potential.



So: Ichigo, Kenpachi, Yamamoto, 4th one is???



Maybe it is Unohana since it seems that she hasn't fought in a long time.  Of course it could also be Isshin or Urahara as well.  Who knows??  Must wait and read to find out.