Bleach Chapter 497 Discussion
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- #36
Aldo512 said:
Han-yuu said:
What happened to his shikai and bankai in last fight? Did ichigo, isshin, urahra, yoruichi have some special powers and hypnotysm did not worked at all, so he had to relay on completely hogyuko.. or did i missed it somewhere? Ichigo at least didn't see the release, so he was unaffected. I'm not sure if it was ever said when Isshin was a shinigami, but I'm assuming it was before Aizen's time, so he wouldn't be affected either. Urahara and Yoruichi don't get a pass though as far as I can tell.
What.. he can release his shikai and bankai only once and then it's useless? I thought he can release it anywhere anytime.
I remembered Ulquiorra mentioned it in front of nnoitra. so it's not one time thing and how he was stronger than all other espadas if his zanpaktou was useless against them? just because of hogyouko?
And If it really is just one time thing than it's the most useless zanpaktou, just like it's very powerful if you see the release.He can release it anytime (I think. I'm not really sure). He just didn't do it with Ichigo the first time they met and apparently had it released the entire time he was in the FKT, so he didn't have a reason to release it again. At least that's how I see it and it's more believable then Aizen having an idiot moment (before his whole "I'm too awesome for strategy" phase) and just not releasing it. Hope that clears things up
- #37
On the side note I was excited when I saw Grimmjow on the cover (which is a fanart).. Got trolled...
Same here! Seriously, this made my day until I found out it wasn't cannon...
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Any way, this is going as expected. I'm still pretty interested to see how they plan on handling the situation from here though. That, and what Kenpachi, Yama-Ji and Shinji (who's Shikai is freaking overpowered) are about to do.
- #38
Also pretty much sure that when Hitsuga said "It took our full strength to beat a couple of gillian" he meant that he had to have their limiter removed. He was at 30% of his power with the limiter if I recall properly, he never meant to said that he needed 100% of his power to beat him but rather that this 30% was not enough.
First of all Kyouraku said, he’s strong and i heard others saying he’s a little genius guy or something but anway, so 30% was not enough. Let’s say he used 50% power to beat a gillian (though i think it was more than that because he was practically useless on 30% level) So what can he possibly do against an espada? And a number 3 espada in all of them? Not he did survive but never took any good demage at all. I guess that gillian was lot better than what Halibal did in her given time.
Maddo_scientisto said:
Aizen was very close to the limit of Shinigami, hence his interest over crossing the border between Hollow and Shinigami.
Aizen always was much stronger than every single captain except Yama which is the only shinigami alive to have reached this said limit (Or at least being closer to it than Aizen).Did i said, Aizen was weak? He was strong that’s why he easily fooled everyone and escaped so easily at the end of soul society arc. What i meant was that Kubo humiliated all other captains. It was not necessary for Aizen to beat all of them. I mean what the hell are they doing for thousands of years ? all that practice, hard-work, status, shikai, bankai, riatsu level. That everything become useless.
Everyone know Aizen is strong but If There was some importance for other characters, like top 4 espada. If they lived up to their hype, you can get at-least 6 captains on the floor. After they’re done with their role, it’s okay for strac and second espada to die (at-least they were usefull) and then Aizen strike Halibel from behind for whatever reason. Then you can see Aizen vs Remaining captains, ichigo, isshin, urhara, yoruichi etc. That would’ve been a lot better. In overall, Espada did nothing to story. Yeah absolutely nothing. They just appeared as so much over-hyped powerful enemies. 7 of them lost in hueco mundo. 3 of them lost in fake karakura without doing anything significant to their opponent except few injuries which are not even to count when you have orihime and unohana.
Maddo_scientisto said:
Ichigo powers
I didn’t even said anything about ichigo powers. You missed the whole point of my post. Let’s say Ichigo is THAT strong then what? All other characters are useless..?
You said,
Maddo_scientisto said:
These quincy that are invading SS right now are the beings that stand the closest to Ichigo's post dangai training powerlevel and I'll dare to say that each and every one of them is at least as strong as Yama in shikai (Yama being obviously much stronger with his bankai but in a situation where he cannot use it).
Isn’t that based on merely conjectures? Did kubo mentioned anywhere for them to be that strong? I guess NOT.
Those guys are sealing or stealing bankai’s can be merely a trick and in matter of time, someone will figure it out and then what? Everything will get back their bankai’s and kaboom.. And once again situation will be just like espadas.
What real power i will accept is, if those bankais are gone forever OR even if they’re sealed temporarily. Quincies will get full benefit by killing at-least few important characters (for real this time), taking over soul society and show them, who's the boss here. Otherwise this whole dangai level or yama shikai power level is useless, If they just play around like “Hey look we’re strong. we killed thousands in few seconds” and before you knew they’re all dead like espadas.
By the way, you said something which is bothering me since long time.
Maddo_scientisto said:
Aizen also had everyone under his complete hypnosys.
What happened to his shikai and bankai in last fight? Did ichigo, isshin, urahra, yoruichi have some special powers and hypnotysm did not worked at all, so he had to relay on completely hogyuko.. or did i missed it somewhere?
- #39
I think the quincy may actually steal only one bankai at the time!
Basicly it's the normal devloppement, to get us excited when ichigo or another badass appears. I still want to see kenpachi:
- Quincy, you look serious. I'll better take my sword with the 2 hands
- WHat?! *__*
Don't forget, we still have te vizards.
btw i want to see the old chief of the kido corps fight. I hope Urohara, Isshin and uroychi, with Uruy will show up in the middle to kick ass.
Or the fight is gonna be in 2 rounds. SS will somehow manage to make them retreat, and after that they'll attack the vanderreaich, knowing of not to get their bankai stolen.
- #40
Oh please stop with that Kenpachi fanboying.
These quincy that are invading SS right now are the beings that stand the closest to Ichigo's post dangai training powerlevel and I'll dare to say that each and every one of them is at least as strong as Yama in shikai (Yama being obviously much stronger with his bankai but in a situation where he cannot use it).
Kenpachi had problem to deal against Noitora's strength, he's a tank but the fucking 5th espada's hit were hard enough for him to understand that he should not be hit by them anymore and these Quincy are in a position to hit much harder than any Espada ever did, actually probably hit even harder than what Aizen used in his last transformation stage.
These Quincy demonstrated currently unrivaled speed feat (Stark was the fastest espada and even him couldn't speedblitz Kyouraku as much as that Quincy just did).
Quincy are also Kenpachi's nemesis. They excel in keeping a distance and nuking anything far from them, Kenpachi doesn't have the speed necessary to close the gap so he would just take hit until he die.
Yama can hold on, Shinji probably can because of the ability of his shikai but not because of his physical capabilities and Ichigo is the only one in a position to destroy the invaders with raw physical capabilities.
The question is how long can they hold on? Because as long as Ichigo isn't here they are doomed to get killed.
Stark didn't really want to fight and he didn't go all out until Lillianette was dead. His resurrección abilities were suited to medium and long range attacks. He also had to fight 4 captain level shinigami's and 2 of those were Vizards.
Shinji is one of the fastest Captains in SS. I think he can definitely hold his own unlike some of the other Captains like Komamura and Soi-Fon.
