Bleach Chapter 497 Discussion

So many things had happened in the last 2 chapter, but I can't say that it was interesting,

and now we will have to wait 10 or so chapters that they can steal back the bankais, and even if they don't have bankai they still have hado, hodo (the spell thing).

This just makes me think how funny it's gonna be when Kenpachi makes an appearance.

Damn, the gotei 13 is in the pinch!



Looks like Ichigo will be called.

Billzor said:
And they have yet to send Kenpachi out to slaughter everything that moves because...?





Kenpachi had problem dealing with Noitora, the 5th espada. Any of these quincy would mop the floor with the top espada.

Kenpachi is just like the rest of SS now, hopeless.

A few top captains could fight if they had their bankai, the only one that's strong enough to fight at the moment is Yamamoto.



sugarbee said:
Kira is dead, Kyouraku lost an eye, and now calling ichigo which will not work if they call the human world because he is in Hueco Mundo right now.

Kira's death is not confirmed, Rangiku once had half of her stomach ripped off and she survived it.

I'm not totally sure about Kyouraku losing an eye. If the ball went through his head he would probably be dead so I guess it just did a bit more than grazing it.

Also they'll probably contact Ichigo via the combat pass.

Han-yuu said:
Maddo_scientisto said:
Oh please stop with that Kenpachi fanboying.

These quincy that are invading SS right now are the beings that stand the closest to Ichigo's post dangai training powerlevel and I'll dare to say that each and every one of them is at least as strong as Yama in shikai (Yama being obviously much stronger with his bankai but in a situation where he cannot use it).

I don't have much hopes from Kenpachi either but i just want to remind you that power levels in bleach are messed up. A number 11 arrancer showed up and beat the hell out of Hitsugaya. I know he's not strongest captain but Kubo told us how strong arrancers are that a captain need to release his full power to defeat a gillian. All other vice captain got some tough battles against some lowly arrancers. Yeah. I'm not talking about Espada. What espada did to ichigo was whole different story. At first I thought, few of them can take over soul society or at-least give them some toughest time they can ever imagine but then Kubo wasted some great potential. What happened to Ulqiuerra in Hueco Mundo or how Starc and Halibel wasted in final battle almost sounds like a joke after so much hype about Vastrolords powers.





Rather than 'not being the strongest captain', he always was the weakest captain.

Also, he (and the others that were there) were very wounded prior to having their limiter removed which made the fight very uneven and impossible to take seriously for a comparaison.

It's like saying "I'll beat you up until you are almost dead then after that you'll start to fight back and if you have to get serious on me it means that I'm strong"



Also pretty much sure that when Hitsuga said "It took our full strength to beat a couple of gillian" he meant that he had to have their limiter removed. He was at 30% of his power with the limiter if I recall properly, he never meant to said that he needed 100% of his power to beat him but rather that this 30% was not enough.

It's not like the limiter granted him the minimal power he needed to defeat them, it was either limited strength or full strength, if he was just a bit less limited it might have been far enough to do the job so you can't technically say that he really needed 100% of his strength for the fight since he just couldn't chose the minimal amount of strength needed for him to win the fight.



Han-yuu said:


Then Aizen alone took out all captains including vizards and lost against Ichigo? I thought captains have their pride like how kenpachi was crying when he lost tied battle with ichigo but It's so humiliating for all other captains to lost against only one guy and that invincible guy lost against Ichigo after some crazy transformations. There you go with messed up power level. (seriously all those captains who was one-shotted by Aizen should've resigned from their positions. lol). Does Aizen need to defeat all of them? Wouldn't it better if Starc, 2nd espada and Halibel take out few of them? and then Aizen make his way to final battle with Ichigo and few others. I wouldn't go to Ichigo power levels, like how strong he is compare to all other captains and that's why he take out Aizen.





You seem to be forgetting a few details.

Aizen was very close to the limit of Shinigami, hence his interest over crossing the border between Hollow and Shinigami.

Aizen always was much stronger than every single captain except Yama which is the only shinigami alive to have reached this said limit (Or at least being closer to it than Aizen).

Aizen also had everyone under his complete hypnosys. He could walk toward them and slash them without them noticing anything before the strike. That's not to say that the number of person at that point didn't matter. He already is stronger than them and he can do whatever he want without being noticed, it's normal that no captain stood a chance against him.



Ichigo always had flucturating power, it was said since age ago. You remember that whole fight in SS when Ichigo talked about 'fighting together with his sword' while Zaraki thought he could just do whatever he want with his sword? Well that's the same thing Ichigo did with his hollow power since the start of the serie. He didn't accept them and both himself and his hollow power were clashing against each other resulting in Ichigo's power fluctuating while not being able to reach it's full potential.

I don't have to remind you that the first time Ichigo met Ulq he had the badge which was messing with his already messed up power and Ulq still said that at the peak of all that mess, Ichigo had still a power stronger than his.



Now with his dangai training Ichigo united his power and accepted them both, his reiatsu is not fluctuating anymore and is at it's peak. When Ichigo lent his body to Zangetsu, he destroyed Zaraki in one single hit while being in shikai (And should I remind you that bankai actually multiplicate a shinigami's reiatsu?) Even Noitora's special cero wasn't close of doing that. Then when he lent his body to his hollow side (Or rather his hollow side took it by force), he executed Ulquiorra like he was dealing with an ant.

Now Ichigo united both of these power and is using them at will, without any interference, without anything fluctuating. Ichigo reached the limit of a shinigami and the limit of a hollow and transcended both of them, he is what Aizen always wanted to be but couldn't manage to.



Call Ichigo broken but now he is the strongest shinigami, stronger than Yama, stronger than anything we've seen so far. If Yama wouldn't fight he could most likely execute all of SS without any trick like Aizen's shikai.

Kyoraku always gets the dude with the guns! lol.

Great Chapter !!!



Good to see Shinji Hirako and Rangiku new look !

Ollyx2OxenFree said:
SilentTruth said:
Damn, the gotei 13 is in the pinch!





In the pinch? Oh in a pinch, noticed you liked this expression since you've used it before.



I don't know if I like how this is going. I like that people are actually getting injured and dying because it makes it more intense but this is definitely a different spin for Bleach. Maybe Kubo wasn't liking the bad ratings and decided that he should start killing off his characters and injuring them? Kira is supposedly dead and Kyoraku lost his eye and bankai. His bankai is one eyed really like to see (punny right?) I can personally see them sparing the soul society and then they challenge them again later or something (hopefully not another power up such with -kai at the end). Ichigo probably doesn't lose his bankai for a certain reason. Can't wait to find out why.



Kyoraku hasn't lost his bankai.



xuezhi said:
How the hell did Kyoraku get owned for that brief fight so far like that?  One of the strongest taicho, defeated the 1st Espada w/o bankai, gets hurt like that against a Quincy??  I call BS.  Renji with another outburst, seriously don't like that guy, too similar to Ichigo.  Other than that another zzzzz chapter.



Exaggeration much? He didn't get owned. He just got hurt. Simple the guy attacked Kyoraku avoided it and tried to attack back but the other guy released his angel mode at that second and got even faster stronger and counterattacked Kyoraku that got surprised because he didn't calculate at him going angel mode and hitting him back so fast.  



Is quite annoying that most people only think of how to arrange power levels in their heads every time a fight occurs instead of seeing what is happening in the actual fight.