Bleach Chapter 474 Discussion

Z-flame said:
kimchuy said:
IMO, I think those weren't the "whole" big twist of the story. I could say, Ginjo spewed half or maybe 1/4 of the truth.

I agree on this, I don't believe that Ginjo told him the all truth.



This and, as we can see Ichigo doesn't care 'cause he trusts his friend.



"They had a reason to ..." or something like that.



Duh.

Ukitake has done sth to badge... So what? Umm yay or nay?

But after this "twist" I bet that Hanatarou is the Soul King x).

I'm actualy so confused now. These Ukitake conspiracy theories are quite interesting but I don't want to believe them. xD And if Ukitake is conspiring something does that mean Kyouraku (his BFF) is in on it too? I love Ukitake and Kyouraku, thier not allowed to be evil. lol.



But from seeing Fai's evidence, some seemed alittle far-fetched but some points I do agree. Ukitake does look rather suspicious when he's taking to Hitsugaya. Can't believe I missed that. :/ Also the way he was talking to Aizen is that page kind of seems like he may have been working with Aizen before hand or might have known about Aizen's plan.



Just my speculations, please don't take them too seriously.

Fai said:


Its chapter 0

Side chapters in bleach tend to have some very interesting stuff sometimes(for example Mizuiro-centric side chapter which has yet to be explained)



Really? Now I'm starting to doubt my Bleach knowledge. May as well re-read it starting from Chapter 0. I think I'll start right away. =) BTW, thanks for the trivia, Fai.



Risa_chan said:
Great chapter. Though... Ukitake? Seriously? I hope this isn't just something Kubo thought of on the spot to surprise us



Ukitake had ulterior motives as early as Chapter 0!!! So, it's not really something that Kubo thought on the spot. Please refer on the posts above, especially Fai's posts. ^

Alright, I want to say something.



If you really think that I'm trolling, then report me. It's as simple as that.



However, since I'm not a person who wants to disrupt the discussion, I'll participate to this one about what will happen next.



Fai said:




isshin still has a connection.



- He knows Ginjou.

- he knows what Ginjou wants to tell.

- Ginjou baited Ichigo with info about Isshin and while he said it was a red herring, I bet its important.

- This is supposedly (or leads to) isshin past arc.





I have a little theory for that: what if Ginjou and Isshin were colleagues?



I don't know anything about the timeline of Bleach, but it's safe to assume that Ginjou and Isshin have more or less the same age, and thus they were the first substitute shinigami squad. Then, something happened between the two, maybe Isshin reported to the SS a crime committed by Ginjou, and they sentenced him to the removal of all shinigami powers. Ginjou went into hiding and lived his life, maybe he had some aspiration of creating some sort of group of reiatsu users free from SS control. However, he couldn't forget what Isshin did to him and planned revenge, but the latter is pretty much untouchable, since he's protected by Urahara, thus he took it out on Ichigo.  



Fai said:
Also someone is forgetting something: Ginjou said that there was already a person with similar kind of fullbring as Ichigo before :)



Do you mean a new posthumous character, like Kaien? Or maybe someone who lost his/her powers?



At last, I don't think there are going to be big revelations in the near future. The next chapter is probably going to have the start of Riruka vs Shinigami fight, and Ginjo vs Ichigo. Ginjou will probably trap Ichigo because the latter is too angry and nervous, adn thus Kubo will either pull a cliffhanger, with Urahara saving him in the nick of time, or doing the big damn hero moment for Urahara in the same chapter.

Ginjo sounds like he's talking some serious shit when it's just a some GPS to observe the substitute shinigami. I mean, duh, why wouldn't  you put a GPS on a substitute shinigami. The only shocker was that it was Ukitake who was behind it. And wtf is up with Ishida running like a wuss near the end. lol I'm starting to hate Ishida now, he's so weak, he does jack shit and scream "Kurosaki." It looks like he's the new replacement for Inoue.

Arashi89 said:
blah blah



1. Yes, Kubo drew the chapter. But did he say ANYWHERE that this was The Big Revelation? No one. Whoever that is disappointed and raving are the ones who think "this is it". That includes you and all the other haters. If bringing the 'weak' character Ukitake into the plot doesnt change the big picture then I dont know what does. Maybe if Ichigo was actually a SS experiment huh?



Arashi89 said:
SS isn't the Big Brother



2. So SS isnt monitoring Ichigo's reiatsu and controlling it, then who is? And FYI, GPS doesnt measure ANYTHING. It TRACKS.



3. The point is jumping into conclusions. You did not deny that. Good for you.



Arashi89 said:
blah blah



No relation whatsoever to my point. "We as audience see a clearer picture than the characters in the story. We have the luxury to flip back past chapters and look at everyone's perspective." And FYI again, I am not a 'boy'.



Arashi89 said:
Why are you so sure about that?! Do you have a time machine? Did you see into the future this big revelation that explains the whole picture?



Same question. Who said this is The Big Revelation?



Next point.

"It is just the start/unveiling of a whole new part of the big picture."

More will be explained in the following chapters. Duh. Back to point 1. If bringing the 'weak' character Ukitake into the plot doesnt change the big picture then I dont know what does.



Arashi89 said:
In short, I do it because I can, and you don't have any good reason to stop me.



And why are you lot insisting so much on this point? Is it because we are telling the truth, that Kubo is a worthless writer, and you're too sheltered to accept the fact that sometimes he makes mistakes?



Same for us. We can say whatever we want. And you can say whatever you want. You can TROLL for as long as you like because you KNOW you are trolling. i.e. You KNOW that you are just making a fool out of yourselves. (go ahead, I know you will deny it.) Of cos, Im not like reaght. Please go ahead and read Bleach for all you want and hate it for all you want as everytime Bleach is read, its popularity goes higher. Thank you very much.



Again, not fan'boy'.



Lastly, obviously you do not know much about Kubo. It's okay that you come here and start raving how bad was the chapter and how much Bleach sucks. It just shows how ignorant you are about what you're reading. You can not like what we are predicting. Sure, everyone has different opinions about how the story will turn out. Go ahead and disagree. @ Monad But saying that we are overthinking the plot shows big ignorance. Why? Simply because we know that Kubo is a poet, i.e. he loves to make things deep and complicated. We know that he loves to tease his readers by putting in cliffhangers here and there. Plus, we also know that he does think on the spot for some plots. 'Mistakes' ? what 'mistakes' ? If you are talking about loopholes, it's just silly to discuss this because the story is not over. But I know you love to jump into conclusions. Thats fine I guess. You can be a better writer than 'worthless' Kubo and your manga will sell more than 72 million in Japan and be one of top in U.S. too. Good for you.



Oh, feel free to deny alllll my points. It's okay. I know you will be in denial.



P.S. @Monad Fai is giving suggestions on what hints have been given on Ukitake's involvment in the main plot. Because he seldom appears, his scenes are mostly brushed aside and forgotten. He is doing a favour to those who want to know more about Ukitake. He might be correct, but he might be wrong. At least he is doing us a favour and showing us where Ukitake appeared. Whether we want to believe Ukitake is evil or not depends on us. And also, a good writer will not suddenly drop a spotlight on a 'weak' character without giving any hints. That then is what I call a lousy writer who has no planning and no more inspiration.

go ichigo finally you do f*** that s*** mode!!!!



I hope the new bankai will be awesome :D