Bleach Chapter 474 Discussion
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- #43
-A VC seat is not something people refuse yet he didn't want to be Ukitake's VC. Now if we are talking about circunstance about why he would refuse the post we should not discard the possibility of him not refusing a VC seat but instead refusing being directly under Ukitake. Why would he do that? Possibly because he isn't as nice as he makes himself look.
-True and that's why I say he is not evil. He balanced the scale and judged that it would be convenient for him and that Kaien would get what he want at the same time, either one of these factor being false he would probably have saved him.
A captain and especially a senior captain should have been able to save him if he really wanted to, sick or not, we saw much weaker shinigami being in a more dire state that just having an illness that displayed much more willpower.
-Ukitake is the one that sent Rukia to the real world. It's not impossible for Aizen to have erased her memory but whatfor? It wouldn't benifit Aizen's plan while in return we do not know what Ukitake is up to.
If we consider the Ukitake vs Aizen discussion it is possible to see a blur line where Ukitake could have been working with Aizen prior to him rebelling against SS, probably Aizen under Ukitake thus the 'you are too arrogant' line
-Gin was one of the most impure character in bleach. He constantly tricked people for the sakes of revenge so obviously WW didn't liked him.
Tousen on the other hand was fighting the sake of his justice, always beleiving he was right and that he was walking the right path toward peace. Tousen was a much more pure character than Gin.
Remember who was the 'nicest captain' before? It was Aizen.
People labelling Ukitake as the big heart guy is as streching it as saying that he's the incarnation of evil. Of course he'll be nice as long as things goes his way.I REALLY don't like the idea of Ukitake wanting Kaien dead. It doesn't make sense to me no matter what he was hiding. Right after Rukia's death sentence was moved up in the SS arc, Ukitake tries to plead with Byakuya to do something for Rukia, it's because he cares for his subordinates. During the same chapter we get a glimpse into Ukitake's thoughts... http://www.mangafox.com/manga/bleach/v16/c134/6.html. A glimpse that shows that Kaien's spirit was his inspiration for the rescue of Rukia, a rescue that put his life and the entire SS system in danger.
Kaien was a man that believed in his own ideals more than common protocol, that's probably why it was so easy for him to turn down a vice-captain promotion. And that's probably why Rukia sees so much of Kaien in Ichigo who doesn't care about what system's rules he breaks as long as he can protect the ones he cares for.
And Wonderweiss was pure... pure as a puppy that wanted to protect his master from anything harmful. His definition of "unpure" was probably anything that was clever enough to threaten his master Aizen. I will not argue the fact that Ukitake is one of the most intelligent captains in SS, but that does not make him a cold and deceitful person. Hueco Mundo was full of two-faced monsters... instead, WW went after Ukitake, Urahara, the Captain-Commander and the Vizards.
And last but not least, Hitsugaya was interrupted by Byakuya just after they arrived to confront Ginjo... he might have told Ichigo the truth about the substitute system and why it was created for Ginjo. But it would have been unwise to unbalance him just before a fight. Yeah, they did lie to him, but they could have had a good reason for it, based on experience.
- #44
Well I still liked this chapter despite the weak plot twist because of Ichigo's bankai at the end and how he yelled shut up before saying bankai. Can't wait to see it, seems like theres some sort of cliffhanger at the end of most of bleach's chapters nowadays. Hope his bankai doesn't look as bad as his normal shingami attire. I loved his bankai and thought it was the best outfit ever in all of the mangas/animes I've seen but I hope it doesn't look bad :/
- #46
During the soul society arc he demonstrated that he has absolutely no qualms with fucking up soul society. Outside of a handful he's formed a relationship with they have little reason to put absolute trust in him.
He does not move at the will of soul society, and frequently pals around with people soul society frown upon(Uruhara, quincy, vizared). He fights for his friends and family, they might share common enemies but that's about it.
all vice-captain level already receive limiters when fighting in the real world.
Monitoring him would let them know if he was in danger and if they needed to send in backup.
- #47
Yes, I have known the group to be Vizards since their introduction in the manga.
hungry_bunny said:
And Wonderweiss was pure... pure as a puppy that wanted to protect his master from anything harmful. His definition of "unpure" was probably anything that was clever enough to threaten his master Aizen. I will not argue the fact that Ukitake is one of the most intelligent captains in SS, but that does not make him a cold and deceitful person. Hueco Mundo was full of two-faced monsters... instead, WW went after Ukitake, Urahara, the Captain-Commander and the Vizards.
This. Any one knows if WW is confirmed dead? I know Fai mentioned that Grimmjow and Syazel will be brought back into the plot. However, I have a feeling that there is more to WW than just the Arrancar arc, considering that he was specially made by Aizen.
Fai said:
For starters there are few problems with the whole badge thing:
1) they did not tell him. Captains get told about limiters. If it was nothing suspicious or malevolent, why not just outright say "hey, this thingy here fixes your reiatsu leak problems". They did not. This leads to 2)
2)From the way Ginjou words it. SS does not want to just "supress" ichigo. they want to control him as weapon.Thanks to badge they will always find him and could off him if he revolts. SS decides Ichigo should wipe out some nu-quincy race? Ichigo would have to do it or die, for example.
3) it reeks of Big Brother. The badge system is bassically the Patriot Act:SS Version - The extreme edition. Ichigo finds out something bad about SS(ala what Aizen and Urahara found out) and Ichigo gets offed, alongside with his family possibly.
Im concerned by why wasnt Ichigo told about the controlling effect of the badge. IMO, it is quite common sense to be controlled in a certain manner since Ichigo is representing SS. Even the captains and vice-captains were told about their limiters (but I guess thats a little different). Even if there were to be any underlining reason for the badge, I do not think that knowing about the restricting effect gives away anything. That's for sure since we are all here guessing what's the next step.
PLUS.
Isshin knows everything too. Here's my thought. Last week I made a crazy guess that Ichigo was made by SS. However, if Ichigo is Isshin's real son, then I believe that he would want the best for his son. By not telling Ichigo anything, Isshin was trying to protect Ichigo in his own way. From what? That's what we are all trying to guess now.
Another point. We dont know how Ukitake is related to Yoruichi, considering the fact that he had the Shihouin shield. If he is somehow related to her, then that would put him into the equation with Urahara. Right at the beginning, they made it such that Ichigo would go into SS and save Rukia. Although Ichigo did not save SS in any way when Aizen revealed his betrayal, he was still given the badge. It was supposed to be a gesture to thank Ichigo for saving Rukia. However, this reason is a personal one. I do not expect the Captain-Commander to accept it, neither should any of the unrelated captains. I would say that it was all planned that Ichigo would receive the shinigami badge even before he met Rukia.
- #49
icegenie said:
DarthObsidian said:
I don't really get why this is supposed to be a such a big revelation or why it would make the Soul Society look like the bad guys.
The badge suppressing Ichigo's power makes perfect sense, seeing as how captains and liutenants have their powers suppressed by like 80% when they come to earth, so it's reasonable to do the same to Ichigo. And it's reasonable to want to keep track substitutes since they're not officially part of the Gotei 13, so it makes sense to keep an eye on them in case they get into trouble or become threats. I really hope there's more to this "revelation".
Another person who assumed that this is the 'big revelation' when not confirmed by Kubo or any other Bleach sources. Then they go 'what?! This is it?!' , get disappointed. And then takes it out on Kubo. Typical..
Kubo is the one who drew Ukitake in the shadows and all those surprised faces like the sky fell on their heads despite hearing stupid trivial things that shouldn't bother them at all.
It is Kubo that is bullshiting us. Trying to built suspense out of nothing and probably even more ridiculous take it back by having Ichigo saying shit like "I don't care" in the next chapter.
If you don't care then what where all those "Oh! my fucking God!!!" faces and words about who he should be fighting? Oh! yeah they where just Kubo trolling us. And if it's not a troll and that little thing is really so shocking to him then is just stupid plot.
So ether we have a stupid story with a character going crazy over something it shouldn't bother him much or we have a troll mangaka that likes to create false suspense and bullshit simply so he can have some pretentious dialogs and supposed cliffhangers.
Uhm why are you criticising Kubo so badly... You are really not making any sense. I have to agree that the espada's were a big letdown for me, and the power ups of Aizen and Ichigo were pretty rediculous. But the story elements that are now being used are interesting again.
You can choose not to like the story, which is okay.... But to hate on the way Kubo writes his story and saying all kinds of b*llsh*t is just unneccesary.
JUST DONT READ HIS STORIES IF YOU DONT LIKE IT!! It's as simple as that.
For me I clearly missed out on stuff because I did not read the manga until the war. The Ukitaki hints that were layed down were not so apparent in the anime. Or does anybody have some screenshots like the screenshots of the manga posted here, but then animewise? Which show the same hints?