Bleach Chapter 473 Discussion

Maddo_scientisto said:
Starcastic said:
No reason to fight Ginjou?  Who wouldn't beat him down after all the crap he put them through?  I'm disappointed that Ichigo didn't answer.



That's because Bleach isn't a white vs black manga.

Ginjou used Ichigo and his friend to achieve ulterior motive but he didn't planned to kill any of them and he also didn't do that out of hatred.



Byakuya was ready to sacrifice Rukia for the sake of his honor. Even though Ichigo and Byakuya crossed sword Ichigo didn't fought out of hatred, he fought to protect and he fought to make his point of view clear to Byakuya.



Grimmjaw came to Karakura town, almost ended up killing Rukia and puting Ichigo's and his friend's life in danger and he was seeking fight for pleasure alone. Ichigo did not fight him out of hatred, he fought him out of conviction.



Aizen manipulated SS, did countless of horrible experiment, killed numerous shinigami and put the life of everyone Ichigo holded dear in danger yet not once did Ichigo fought with hatred in mind, he fought to protect.



It's been clear since long ago that Ichigo does not hold his sword to harm people, he hold his sword to protect people.

The only person he truly fought to kill was Tsukishima and that was because Ichigo had a breakdown at this moment. Now that he regained a semblance of composure Tsukishima's death would not give him any satisfaction.



When Ichigo fight his opponent he understand them through their blades and he transmit his will and feeling through his blade as well still you shouldn't assume that Ichigo fight to 'beat up' his opponent.



To bre exact, there were two beings Ichigo fough ttruly for the sake of defeating and killing them for himself: Grand Fisher and Tsukishima.



Even with Aizen, while he became a lot more determined to defeat him when he started messing with his precious people, he still felt sorry for him.



Ginjou so far, while ruthless and manipulative, did the LEAST damage to Ichigo's circle of precious people, did not even intend to kill nor fight Ichigo or his friends, and now even Damage he and hois friends did is sort of getting undone.



Despite everything ginjou put Ichigo through, Ginjou did the LEAST against those Ichigo fights for, when compared to Aizen, Grimmjaw or even Byakuya and Urahara.



However GIinjou seems to be convinced that what he is about to tell will actually make ichigo want to fight against the so called "real enemy"

I sure hope Kuugo is going to explain what the point of all this madness is. Being just plain "power mad" seems like a waste of motive and character for a guy like him. I want to hear his grudge. I want to know how Ichigo is supposed to look on his newfound power.

Fai said:


42.

Hah... I want to write this too.

Fai said:
hungry_bunny said:


Byakuya's lines in this very chapter emphasizes the fact that the shinigami are good guys. Whether they're being used or not... is another matter.



Also, didn't we see Mayuri's real face in the end of the SS arc... that ugly mug looks nothing like Urahara's.



Yes, separate people are always nice. Does not mean that their intentions, goals or organisation means nothing bad for the main character or from main character's POV. This whole manga, since SS arc is built around that concept.



Really? id say he looks quite a lot like Urahara, with a bit different hairstyle, maybe a bit younger.Alright, they look alike and I was joking about the hair earlier. But if they're brothers, then Ichigo and Ishida are twins.





PS. Oh gawd what I had to go through to find this pic again *cries* Why does doing a simple search on "Ishida and Ichigo" result in so much Yaoi?

OMG! Who is the enemy Ichigo should really be fighting? I really hate all these twists Ginjo makes.

I overlooked something important, i still somewhat feel ginjou was a bit too offensive towards ichigo at the end, but why the hell did he help give his friends a power up?! (maybe even ishida got one and we dont know it?)



If you reread this arc's plot with what you already know about it. You can clearly see that ginjou and tsuki planned from the start to power up ichigo and friends through extreme fear. Push them to the limits just to make sure they will progress ...



And look how far they even went sometimes, blinding ichigo and giving him some serious bullshit about killing him slowly and painfully.



If these guys are the ones he should trust, then i imagine the enemy to be a lot more cruler even than that.



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Then i also have to wonder why only now Urahara and Ishida bother to restoer his powers through a sword (while they could have done it sooner >_>) and they give that sword to the elite shinigamis to give his power back and then to try to make short process of that bunch of humans.



And note they were telling they were training A LOT! just to defeat that bunch of humans.

Also they were ordered to kill them?! Right? Which means, the shinigamis want to keep the power to themselves ... Up till now they've been removing all other factions that have supernatural power like them, but which arent like them and arent under their control. They even wanted to remove the vaizards at first. They wanted to completely wipe out Ishida's clan ... etc.



I know i make it sound like a conspiracy, but it dosnt look like anything else.



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Ishida's father is one of the characters that seems to know a lot. So then why would Ishida attack Ginjou if he is probably in the right ...

Well, let's see what Kubo has prepeared for us.

I do not see Bleach having an ending really... Naruto = Hokage,  OP = Pirate King, Bleach = ?.



Anyways. I liked Byakuya's little speech and the few panels of Toushiro humor. :D