Bleach Chapter 473 Discussion

"THE ENEMY YOU SHOULD REALLY BE FIGHTING!"







It's time for some good ol' kubo trolling time! OH YEAH.

Fai said:
hungry_bunny said:


Really? id say he looks quite a lot like Urahara, with a bit different hairstyle, maybe a bit younger.Alright, they look alike and I was joking about the hair earlier. But if they're brothers, then Ichigo and Ishida are twins.



Yes, Kubo's current drawing style is known to have similar facial features, but the hwole mayuri stuff happened all the way back in SS when facial similarities were still more distinct and we all know that kubo has used similarities in faces before as plotline (Kaien and Ichigo).



Also as I said, the whole self-mutilation stuff mayuri does as well as his hatred for urahara smells of  Man in iron Mask type of plot. Call me paranoid, but I am definitely convinced there's a substantial reason why Mayuri hides his face the way he does as that there is some deeper connection between the two that the story just barely hinted at yet.During the pendulum arc, they didn't really act like relatives, more like people who might have been forced to go on the same mission once...



The Espada that he defeated was pretty low-rank, his findings can't be that important. Mayuri's "big role" would be more likely if there was a chance he could experiment on Aizen, like he did on the Quincy, the conversations alone could lead to much. But unfortunately Aizen is probably locked away in a dimension that would make Maggot's nest look like the Ritz Hotel.

icegenie said:


OMG here comes my crazy guess - SS MADE ICHIGO.



Not crazy, actually.



Kubo did say that "Ichigo's birth will amaze us and make us look to the manga in different way", afterall.



That would also explain Aizen's "i have been there since you been born" stuff, if Ichigo is some kind of experiment of whatever clan/faction  isshin belongs to.



However I doubt it will go that way, bu tthat there's something up with his birth is quite clear.



icegenie said:


I kind of think that Fai's crazy idea about Ginjo saving Aizen is crazy too.. Ah, and also someone mentioned that Ichigo might save Aizen? (considering he was sympathetic when Aizen was captured) but who knows. xDq



My theory is not about Ginjo saving Aizen, but about ICHIGO getting a reason to break Aizen out of prison.



1) we know Aizen saw something about SS and its purpose and nature that made him do the whole revolt-evil-genius stuff in the first place.

2) we have very clear parallels between Ichigo and Aizen, in both powers and symbols

3) the way Aizen was handled in the end of deicide, clearly sets him into the whole "rebel against heavens" category of characters. Not to mention his dialogue/shouting with Urahara pretty much sets Aizen within the limits of shounen genre ideals and Urahara in the outside of those ideals

4) we have been clearly heading for some kind of reveal about SS

5) ginjou is in someway connected to Isshin, Isshin is connected to Urahara and possibly to Aizen, urahara is connected to SK and Aizen, Aizen is connected to all of those factors. IF story goes towards "Soul King is final villain" kind of thing(which I think it will), its quite clear that Aizen WILL participate in it in some way or another.







Regarding Mayuri, unfortunately, I cant find any proper words to describe their relationship. Mayuri doesnt excatly hate Urahara, considering that he helped Urahara a couple of times, regardless whether manga storyline or anime filler. However, he does hate it when people compare him with his predecessor Urahara.



Exactly, why i think its some kind of clone or twin kind of thing.



Twins generally are unable to feel real hatred against each other, however in some of instances contain an extreme dislike to others comparing their personality.



Mayuri HATES being compared to Urahara, because its quite clear he is trying to set himself apart from him - the whole mutilations thing, trying to surpass him in scientific things, etc. That seems to me exactly like the kind of thing a clone or a twin would do in shounen manga. :)

icegenie said:
kimchuy said:


And what's up with the "moon" lately?! It's been shown quite ominously since some chapters ago. I feel there's something that symbolizes it, other than Getsuga Tenshou - which literally means "Moon Fang Heaven-Piercer",...I think with the whole story and the truth behind it.



Now that you mentioned it...... Rmb that Isshin's Zanpakutou is also called Engetsu.. something to do with the moon..



Yeah, Engetsu literally means, "Scathing Moon"; while Zangetsu is "Slaying Moon". That I guess had some connection with the two "moons" shown in this chapter. In this current battle, Ichigo (w/c is inside Yukio's Enhanced Invaders Must Die) and Isshin (where the f**k is he, right now?!) are together.

Shiznat said:
Phew...I'm glad Rukia is gonna be okay.



You obviously missed the last few pages of Chapter 471.



Monad said:
So is Riruka inside Rukia or something now?



Thats my guess, it's pretty much a big hint when it was said that Rukia was found alone in the room.



Takashi981 said:
icegenie said:


99% sure that Riruka's in Rukia. =x





I think so too



hi5 (:

Well, IMO, Ichigo only cares about his friends and his town. Although he knows that Urahara used him and Rukia in some sense to fight against Aizen, he also knows that Urahara helped him to become stronger, strong enough to defeat Aizen (for the purpose of protecting his town and the people in it from being destroyed). Moreover, he was helping Karin out unknown to Ichigo when he lost his shinigami powers.. What Ginjo was telling Ichigo to do was to doubt his family, and I dont think Ichigo will ever do that.



It doesnt make sense that a king's servant is located in a different world for more than a century. How does he serve his master like that?



Although 'Soul King' sounds like the almighty being, his existence might not be of harm, i.e. villain. From Aizen's conversation with Urahara, I concluded that the soul king might be a form of existence that keeps things in balance. We do have such 'things' IRL, essential existences in systems around us. Because these existences keep things in balance, they sometimes are perceived as 'harmful' or 'unfair'. Because we do not know what excatly is the soul king (since Urahara refer to the soul king as 'it', we cant say that the soul king is a person), we do not know why Aizen resented 'it' so much. An analogy that I can think of (not sure right or wrong) is capital punishment. It is the most extreme form of punishment in modern society. Many are hugely against it, saying that it's inhumane etc etc. However, there are those who accept it as a balance in society, its existence is essential to punish the most cruel and unforgivable criminals. IMO, the soul king is smiliar to such an existence.



So what I am trying to say here is that, the soul king might not necessary be a villain, although 'it' might turn out to be depending on perspective. That is because Aizen did all his evil deeds in order to destroy/kill the soul king, it shows that in some way, the soul king is 'bad'. But Urahara did say that the existence of the soul king is essential for SS. So, in the end, if Ichigo were to really fight the soul king, I wonder how SS would become...?

icegenie said:
OMG here comes my crazy guess - SS MADE ICHIGO.

At this point it wouldn't surprise me if he told him that Ichigo was created in an experiment as the soul king's vessel...this would also explain why Aizen said "I was there the day you were born".



This would also mean that Isshin isn't his real father but someone put in charge of watching over his progress along with Urahara which prob was the guy in charge of the strawberry plotshake experiment.

And who is the real enemy, tell us Ginjo.