Bleach Chapter 473 Discussion

Arashi89 said:
Z-flame said:
I love how people think that I was trying to be "original". lol



That's because you are indeed "original" and we like you for that. Don't you ever try to be imaginative, because nobody here likes that. Instead, keep on being "original" and no one will ever complain. :)

why thank you, that means so much coming from.... uh...someone I don't know. lol

Fai said:
Ichigo right now has absolutely no real reason to fight Ginjou.

has Ginjou told Ichigo anything about why he wanted his powers, yet? I think not. If so, as far as ichigo is concerned Ginjou is a potential threat to him/SS/his friends/whoever. I mean this is the guy who led him by the nose for weeks, manipulated and used him and tried to kill him (I think, can't really remember). Ichigo has every reason not to trust him and think of him as an enemy that needs to be defeated before he pulls another villanous stunt.

Inarius said:
Simple.



Kubo needs a villain who's more powerful than Aizen...he needs an ultimate villain for that matter.



Arashi89 said:
And why this ultimate villain should be the Soul King? It's a neutral character and we know so little about it. He was only a piece of infodump from chapters released years ago, they spoke about it for few panels and we never heard of it again. Why this sudden importance?



What would be better than using the soul king as the main villain? Aizen was already overpowered so you need to find someone stronger right? And the chapters weren't released years ago. It was released last year around this time. Seeing how Aizen had such a big part in Bleach to the point where many thought it was over or should've been over when he died, when we saw him talking about the Soul King it showed that the Soul King had a big part in the story or at least one could assume that it had some sort of relation in why Aizen did what he did.



Inarius said:
That only leaves the rolay society which is governed by the Soul King. And every king has a loyal servant and what better servant than the man who knows everything, Urahara.



Arashi89 said:
And why knowing everything makes him an underling of the Soul King? Urahara was expelled from SS a century ago and never had the chance to meet the Soul King.



Aizen even asked in Chapter 421 why Urahara was listening to the soul king when he was smart enough to do something of his own will or whatever. Why are you saying that he never met him or had a chance to meet him? Not making sense there. Sounds like your twisting things around or confused about something.





Inarius said:
He has a reason as to why he deserted or whatever it was that he did and abandoned his duties as substitute shinigami, and we'll prob gonna hear that reason next ch.



Arashi89 said:
And how this part fits with your theory? Ginjo could have other motives that brought him to desert from his role of substitute Shinigami, and he seems pretty explicit about the fact that he wants SS destroyed.



That's not necessarily fact. He doesn't ever say he wants SS destroyed so it's not fact at all even though it could be true. Calling it fact when it's an assumption isn't credible.



Lol do you really believe all of this that you're saying. I mean it's good to have an alternative view of how things might end up but it seems like you just want to disagree and are trying to find small faults in a lot of our reasons in order to give your reason for dissenting.



Anyways this chapter was okay. I like the Gotei 11's encounter especially Hitsugaya and Kenpachi's conversation because I feel as if that's the first time I saw them talking with eachother(can't remember). Rukia seemed pretty lame this arc even though she's probably not done with Riruka. I just hope that the Fullbring doesn't do what Chapter Black's arc did from Yu Yu Hakusho(seeing how these arcs are similar) and have Soul Society have an evil purpose and Ginjo left because he realized what he was doing was wrong or something like that.

And why this ultimate villain should be the Soul King? It's a neutral character and we know so little about it. He was only a piece of infodump from chapters released years ago, they spoke about it for few panels and we never heard of it again. Why this sudden importance?

The end of Aizen's arc didn't really happen "years ago"...



This is also where the "Soul King=ultimate villain" comes from. The Soul King was the whole reason (as far as we know) for Aizen's doing. And the end of that arc left enough room for Aizen being the well intentioned extremist who just wanted to change SS and overthrow the King for that reason. It isn't as far fetched as you make it out to be.



(Not that I'm convinced that it's true. in fact, I really don't give a damn)

Inarius said:
Simple.



Kubo needs a villain who's more powerful than Aizen...he needs an ultimate villain for that matter.



And why this ultimate villain should be the Soul King? It's a neutral character and we know so little about it. He was only a piece of infodump from chapters released years ago, they spoke about it for few panels and we never heard of it again. Why this sudden importance?



Inarius said:
I doubt Yama would be corrupt or something so I think we can rule him out. And the same goes for Aizen who's in prison and will prob remain there for quite some time.



Isn't Yamamoto the direct subordinate to the Soul King and probably the only one who knows his true nature? Wouldn't he be the most likely to be in cahoots with the Soul King?



Inarius said:
That only leaves the rolay society which is governed by the Soul King. And every king has a loyal servant and what better servant than the man who knows everything, Urahara.



And why knowing everything makes him an underling of the Soul King? Urahara was expelled from SS a century ago and never had the chance to meet the Soul King.



Inarius said:
At the begining of the arc Ginjo did tell Ichigo not to trust him and I don't think he was lying to him.



Because that wasn't totally part of a plot aiming to steal Ichigo's power by making him distrustful towards his allies. That information was completly legit.



Inarius said:
He has a reason as to why he deserted or whatever it was that he did and abandoned his duties as substitute shinigami, and we'll prob gonna hear that reason next ch.



And how this part fits with your theory? Ginjo could have other motives that brought him to desert from his role of substitute Shinigami, and he seems pretty explicit about the fact that he wants SS destroyed.

Riruka is missing. Guess most of the FullBringers are actually dead. *Gasp*



The real enemy shall appear! No, really!

Well so it seems like the story just might get back on it's feet by next chapter, we'll see.



An pretty nice chapter tho. 4/5

Fai said:


6. Ginjou said at the start of the arc for Ichigo to NOT trust Urahara, we know Urahara is SK's lackey in some sense(the reason Aizen is pissed off at Urahara).don't forget it's also the reason as to why the SS hasn't made a move to capture him back after his so called "betrayal" in the turn back the pendulum arc :D



Fai said:
EDIT: anyone else notices that ginjou seems ot really get the whole "lust for battle" Ichigo has? Because seriously. Ichigo right now has absolutely no real reason to fight Ginjou.  he has his powers, his family will be safe, Tsukishima will apparently die and he still longs to fight.  Ichigo is fighting because Ginjou  manipulated him? well , how about this, Ginjou drops a bombshell about how SS is manipulating him.



Time for Ichigo and FB leftovers to try to bust Aizen out of Jail, my crazy guess is.yep, this is one of the possibilities.



I'm also thinking it will be strange if Ichigo keeps fighting after he just heard that his friends and family will return to normal when Tsukishima (did I spelled him right?) dies.



And I was also imagining a scenario where Ichigo would bust Aizen out of jail...the FB'ers weren't in my scenario but now that you pointed this out, it just might be what's going to happen next.



edit: I'm also looking forward to seeing his hollow self XD