Bleach Chapter 473 Discussion

More technical stuff about bleach-verse.

It looks like substitute shinigami and Fullbringers similar. They can trade & share his powers.

Substitute shinigamis it's like natural or artificial phenomenom but I think that someone want to make Shinigami+Hollow entity(I think that someone said that in this thread)

FB - is like accidents.

Arrancarn - someone destroy his mask - lucky -> more or less accidental

Vizards - experiments by Aizen/Urahara

Substitute Shinigami - experiments(?)



In my point of view, hollow energy has huge natural potentials; shinigamis must experiment with hollow powers to acquire power to such extent.

Fai said:
hungry_bunny said:
In a perfect world... yeah, that would be a nice transfer into the final arc. But since I have this feeling that this franchise isn't close to over yet (hasn't been milked enough yet) I wouldn't be surprised if they threw something else at us.

Like

3rd. Urahara and Isshin (that would piss me off)

4th. Mayuri or one of the other capatains (that would piss me off more)

5th. Some new character/race that hasn't been revealed yet (AAARGH)

6th. Humans or hollows or the hollow within himself... (facepalm, trolled again)



Urahara is connected to SK and Isshin has connection to both Aizen, Ichigo and Ginjou.



Mayuri apparantly willl be VERY important in the next arc, as well as what he found in HM(remember that we still don't know what he found?). Going by Mayuri's face in anime and how he like sot mtilate himself, I am betting that either mayuri is Urahara's clone or Urahara is mayuri's clone, but better than Mayuri in every sense. The whole maggot's nest stuff felt like something out of the "man in the iron mask".The way you put it, it almost sounds like Mayuri's trying to start another Hollowification program in an effort to turn himself into an Ichigo-clone... still not buying any of it. I'll be open to the possibility of him playing a big role and that the connections between him and Urahara are bigger than what we've seen so far but I'm skeptical to the possibility of him playing the role of the bad guy... feels like I've entered this discussion before.



Byakuya's lines in this very chapter emphasizes the fact that the shinigami are good guys. Whether they're being used or not... is another matter.



Also, didn't we see Mayuri's real face in the end of the SS arc... that ugly mug looks nothing like Urahara's.



Edit: You beat me to it... all Bleach faces look alike (apparently) but........ he's not even blond.

gato03 said:
"the enemy you should be fighting is..."



your father!... *insert star wars theme* XP LOL that would be epic troll..



I kind of think that Fai's crazy idea about Ginjo saving Aizen is crazy too.. Ah, and also someone mentioned that Ichigo might save Aizen? (considering he was sympathetic when Aizen was captured) but who knows. xD



Regarding Mayuri, unfortunately, I cant find any proper words to describe their relationship. Mayuri doesnt excatly hate Urahara, considering that he helped Urahara a couple of times, regardless whether manga storyline or anime filler. However, he does hate it when people compare him with his predecessor Urahara. So it's hard to imagine that they are that close as some of you are guessing. We should be getting a backstory on Mayuri too, on how he ended up in the Maggots Nest.



Anyway, the shinigamis know that they are just mere tools to help protect SS. It probably wouldnt make much difference if they found out that the Soul King was using them. Each captain have their own reasons why they chose to serve SS, for Byakuya - his pride. But their roles seem more like the 'bad guy' sometimes. Rmb allllll the way in the beginning, the captains were manipulated by the fake Central 46? They were given orders to execute the 'criminal' Rukia and most of them din question why. Byakuya din even try to stop the execution because it was against his 'pride'.



Inarius said:
Fai said:
EDIT: anyone else notices that ginjou seems ot really get the whole "lust for battle" Ichigo has? Because seriously. Ichigo right now has absolutely no real reason to fight Ginjou.  he has his powers, his family will be safe, Tsukishima will apparently die and he still longs to fight.  Ichigo is fighting because Ginjou  manipulated him? well , how about this, Ginjou drops a bombshell about how SS is manipulating him.



I'm also thinking it will be strange if Ichigo keeps fighting after he just heard that his friends and family will return to normal when Tsukishima (did I spelled him right?) dies.



I would actually think that Ichigo (being the softy that he is) would hate to see Tsukishima die. Thus forming a dilemma in his head - friends' memories or Tsukishima's life.



regarding SS manipulating Ichigo......



OMG here comes my crazy guess - SS MADE ICHIGO.

hungry_bunny said:
During the pendulum arc, they didn't really act like relatives, more like people who might have been forced to go on the same mission once...



The Espada that he defeated was pretty low-rank, his findings can't be that important. Mayuri's "big role" would be more likely if there was a chance he could experiment on Aizen, like he did on the Quincy, the conversations alone could lead to much. But unfortunately Aizen is probably locked away in a dimension that would make Maggot's nest look like the Ritz Hotel.



you see, I got entirely different image out of that. I saw two men who seemed to know something about each other and who had met and interacted a lot before. One of them for some reason keeps disfiguring his face in various ways and I felt that he was there for a reason.



It just feels similar to the whole Man in iron mask stuff - king locking his twin brother in a prison and putting an irremovable iron mask upon his face, etc. Except this time, Mayuri seems to "put the mask on" willingly.



Also whil espada was quite low ranked, that was because he lacked overall power. brawns so to say instead of brains(example being yammi the most powerful because of his strength).  Otherwise Szayel has been shown to be a very crafty scientist hiding  something from Aizen (even if Aizen knew to some extent of what szayel was doing there).



Whatever Szayel was doing, he felt the need to hide form Aizen and others. And whatever that was, has kept mayuri hold up in HM doing unknown stuff ever since the Aizen stuff ended.

icegenie said:


OMG here comes my crazy guess - SS MADE ICHIGO.



LMAO. "Ichigo...The soul society created you." "Why do you think you were able to train for 1/1000000 the time that other shinigami had to train and still are able to defeat captains? It's because they made you to be that way."

Starcastic said:
No reason to fight Ginjou?  Who wouldn't beat him down after all the crap he put them through?  I'm disappointed that Ichigo didn't answer.



Ichigo's main priority is his friends. Since there is harm towards his friends is becoming undone, he feels that there is no more reason to fight.

hungry_bunny said:


Really? id say he looks quite a lot like Urahara, with a bit different hairstyle, maybe a bit younger.Alright, they look alike and I was joking about the hair earlier. But if they're brothers, then Ichigo and Ishida are twins.



Yes, Kubo's current drawing style is known to have similar facial features, but the hwole mayuri stuff happened all the way back in SS when facial similarities were still more distinct and we all know that kubo has used similarities in faces before as plotline (Kaien and Ichigo).



Also as I said, the whole self-mutilation stuff mayuri does as well as his hatred for urahara smells of  Man in iron Mask type of plot. Call me paranoid, but I am definitely convinced there's a substantial reason why Mayuri hides his face the way he does as that there is some deeper connection between the two that the story just barely hinted at yet.

I'm already seeing Fai gloating ... I'll wait a week before admitting you were right. =)

Only, why should Ichigo ever listent to Ginjo? All he and the FB have done so far was struggling behind his back in order to steal his power, hurt his friends ... they were driven by greed&tragic background ... not by a greater cause, neither by reason they could reasonably share with Ichigo (or at least that appeared to be their idea so far!)

Ginjo making THAT revelation just sounds weird!

Yet, don't know any other thing he could be revealing ... >,> (unless he's just trying to make Ichigo lower his guard ... but, don't know, I don't think this is his purpose)