Bleach Chapter 470 Discussion
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- #53
icegenie said:
One thing Mister Annoying forgot (?) -
Aizen arc took about 9 years to complete. Fullbring arc is not even 1 year. -.-
Hey Miss Annoying, the Fullbring arc shouldn't last that long. The Aizen arc dragged on way too long. The Fullbring arc is a year, it started at the end of October last year.
Harhhhhh?? Did Kubo come visit you and tell you that the Fullbring Arc SHOULD finish soon?? OR is it that YOU want it to finish soon? Logically speaking, it is still somewhere in the beginning. The shinigamis just made their appearance. Nothing much has been explained yet. There's a reason why Kubo's the mangaka of Bleach and not you.
Machuran said:
icegenie said:
Argument that GT variations are still the same GT -
Hitsugaya still uses ice both in shikai and bankai. Ryūsenka,Hyōten Hyakkasō and Hyōryū Senbi, for example, all are variations on the usage of 'ice'.
Byakuya's bankai, although complex, is still a variation of the Senbonzakura.
Renji's bankai has the same kind of extension that his shikai has.
Therefore, no matter how complex the bankai is, it is always related to the shikai. It's just that Ichigo's GT variations are more similar to the 'original' one. But like the other shinigami, which variation of GT he uses makes a difference.
If they are the same, it's like saying whichever he uses doesnt make any difference. So why does he need the hollow and bankai, or even go to the extreme of taking up the Final GT form?
Except they know kido, and there are different uses to their attacks.
With Ichigo, it's just charging forward and Getsuga Tenshou enemies over and over again, sometimes with a different form, but still the same attack. There's no clever strategy or anything.
You got to be kidding me. You call this an argument? Then how do you explain Squad 11?? They only specialize in zanpakuto-only combat. That renders your Kido argument invalid, doesnt it? Besides, Hitsuga doesnt use Kido when he attacks either. Neither does Komamura nor Gin, just to name a few.
And I dont know how you define 'clever strategy', but learning to read an opponent's move and thinking of a counter is more than just 'charging forward'. Zangetsu's power is basically a burst of energy forward in a straight line, what we all know as Getsuga Tenshou. In the same way, Gin's zanpakuto power, for example, is also basically extension and contraction at high speed. The difference is how he uses this power. As I have mentioned, if Ichigo was just using Getsuga Tenshou with no strategy or whatsoever when he fights, it would mean that all his wins were just based on plain luck and if that was true, no one would be reading Bleach and Kubo would be out of a job.
- #55
riruka is retarded why dont she just kick rukia's ass instead of blabbering her story = =
Because she does not want to?
Riruka has no reason to fight. The only reason she is even picking up a real fight with Rukia is because of their moral conflict about normality. Riruka had no need for this whole thing in the first place, if you remember.
Anyway, awesome chapter:
- I love how there's more strategy in battles. People don't just rush to do shit now. They actually think what they are doing. A stark contrast from HM Ichigo is that he actual has let Ishida try to plan out shit first(of course he had no patience to actually LET him finish thinking)
- Ginjou is awesome.
- I LOVE that fights are more creative this arc. Ginjou bullet-timing Ishida's arrows? Awesome. Kubo is breaking from usual patterns ffrom time to time now and adding some good old creativity into fights.
- Interested in what will Riruka say to rukia next chapter. I have loved every time Kubo has put some sort of morality philosophy into this manga as it really spices up characters. Be it with Byakuya in SS or Tousen or Riruka in this case. Thats kubo's forte alongside backstories.
5/5
EDIT: Also is it just me or did GInjou and Tsuki pull the similar shit they did upon Ichigo on other FB's? Manipulating and coning them into believing they are their allies and Ginjou saving them from the shit Tsukishima caused them. Interesting is to what purpose if so.
- #56
Because she does not want to?
Riruka has no reason to fight. The only reason she is even picking up a real fight with Rukia is because of their moral conflict about normality. Riruka had no need for this whole thing in the first place, if you remember.
There was also no need to turn Rukia into a devil plushie either, all Riruka needed to do was to try and talk to her instead.
Fai said:
Anyway, awesome chapter:
- I love how there's more strategy in battles. People don't just rush to do shit now. They actually think what they are doing. A stark contrast from HM Ichigo is that he actual has let Ishida try to plan out shit first(of course he had no patience to actually LET him finish thinking)
They have no plan, even Ichigo admitted it. Ichigo is barely even listening to Uryu and they spent more time arguing with each other than actually trying to find out what to do. Uryu is just stating the obvious and Ichigo is still rushing in like the same old dumbass that he is.
Fai said:
- I LOVE that fights are more creative this arc. Ginjou bullet-timing Ishida's arrows? Awesome. Kubo is breaking from usual patterns ffrom time to time now and adding some good old creativity into fights.
That's what Uryu usually does in fights, that's part of his power.
Fai said:
- Interested in what will Riruka say to rukia next chapter. I have loved every time Kubo has put some sort of morality philosophy into this manga as it really spices up characters. Be it with Byakuya in SS or Tousen or Riruka in this case. Thats kubo's forte alongside backstories.
Hopefully it isn't just more whining like Yukio's was or half-assed like Jackie's.
Fai said:
EDIT: Also is it just me or did GInjou and Tsuki pull the similar shit they did upon Ichigo on other FB's? Manipulating and coning them into believing they are their allies and Ginjou saving them from the shit Tsukishima caused them. Interesting is to what purpose if so.
Not surprised, these people are easy to manipulate like Ichigo is.
- #57