Bleach Chapter 470 Discussion
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- #27
You obviously din get our point. It's a trend of Kubo to explain things later. Not of whether Ichigo managed to achieve his goal, but HOW he did it.
You obviously didn't get my point, I told you, those aren't mysteries. All he did was drag out the explanations of things that were already kind of obvious.
Ichigo has no goals, he has a motivation of wanting to protect people, but that's just an excuse since the most important thing he cares about is power.
icegenie said:
I dont think it was THIS obvious that Ichigo would lose his powers before it was even mentioned in the story.
Oh, it was very obvious, it's called the 'Final' Getsuga Tenshou.
icegenie said:
And also, maybe you wouldnt mind not reading about The Past arc since it was so obvious to you, but many others would have liked to know what really happened. With that arc, we managed to see how Seireitei was like 100 years ago, the relationship between the now-Vizards and the shinigami, and also the fight scene between Urahara and Aizen. What you mentioned about the predictable, is the structure of the story. Yes we all know that. Kubo will tell his story halfway and continue sometime later.
But that's the thing, it was poorly structured. It was plopped right in the middle of the Hueco Mundo arc and you think that it might have some significance, but all the vaizards ended up doing was help fight some espadas/arrancars before getting Aizen-trolled with the other shinigamis to pave way for the obviously inevitable Ichigo/Aizen fight.
icegenie said:
Maybe if you think Bleach is so predictable and obvious, you can tell us the backstory of Isshin and Ichigo's birth right now.
No, from previous posts, I'm more interested in this backstory than this horribly executed arc that we're still stuck in right now. This is what we should have had instead of this Fullbring nonsense.
icegenie said:
Looking back, I think the delayed explanations were placed strategically. If Kubo had given the answers right at the start, no one will be reading Bleach anymore becos there's nothing to look forward to. Another thing about the delay, its important to prioritize the plot. For now, although everyone wants to know about Isshin's past, the main focus is on Ichigo getting his powers back and the events taking place between him and Ginjo.
No, people read Bleach because of the sucess/popularity it had during the Soul Society arc/start of the Arrancar saga before it started going downhill, people stuck with it wanting to know how it would end/hoping it would improve.
The delayed explanations did absolutely nothing for the story, it was just there, it felt tacked on. There's really nothing to look forward to with this arc except for how it ends and if the next arc will be any better.
Priorities? It only took 1 chapter for Ichigo to get his Shinigami powers back, it was a complete waste of time. Ichigo hasn't changed, matured, or learned anything. Isshin's past not only would have been more important than watching Ichigo's pathetic dumbass display, but it would have given a great opportunity to actually develop Ichigo's character.
icegenie said:
Maybe its just you, but there are many of us who picked up Bleach 10 years ago and are willing to wait another 10 more years. I think the Aizen arc was generally satisfying. Many events took place. Many characters introduced. Many questions answered but more questions were asked and yet to be answered. Many of us like Kubo's sense of poetry. There aint many mangakas who are this skilled in writing poems. Most of the twists are unique and witty. Although I must admit that there are some parts that I din like, but this happens becos you cant satisfy everyone. Im sure by now, people who read/watch Bleach know that Bleach is not about getting answers to the questions but the process and development, which is great becos we are able to get a better sense of what the characters are like, their personalities and thats how we start to slowly relate to them.
If you look around, it's not just me, no matter how much you want to paint it that way. Plenty of people waited 10 years, some of them just aren't going to willing accept these things. Yeah, great poetry, an entire blank page with the words, "The Heart" in the center. It hard to relate to underdeveloped characters, especially ones like Ichigo, who does the same thing, making the same mistakes over and over again, not learning a single thing from his experiences. The Aizen arc ended with an overpowered/immortal being having to be sealed off after several pointless transformations.
icegenie said:
Haters get sick of watching the same old fight scenes, same old Getsuga Tenshou. Come to think of it, most shonen stories are like that. Naruto used to only have Shadow Clone and Rasengan too. But there are still many Naruto fans out there. Same for Fairy Tail and FMA. Same old powers. But people still support.
Except those series actually have some different techniques. Naruto also has Rasen Shuriken and Beast Tailed Bomb. FMA has different transmutations and was a relatively shorter series. Fairy Tail has different flame attacks.
All you've proven is that they're popular.
icegenie said:
I think you are just downplaying Bleach. If all you see are just fight scenes, same old Getsuga Tenshou with no answers, then you can go complain for the next 10 years becos thats the structure of Bleach.
If you step outside of your little bubble, my complaints are much tamer by comparison.
That's because that's Bleach in a nutshell, I didn't say there weren't any answers, I said that they're poorly executed like pretty much everything else in Bleach. The problem with Bleach is that it's poorly structured, poorly developed, and poorly executed.
- #29
Wait he has all of Ichigo's abilities? I sense hollowfication...
If Ichigo is at the state he was past fgt training, he has no hollow. His powers were made whole after that, remember?
Toadounet said:
Ichigo will have to rely on experience and.. teamwork ?
EXACTLY why it feels so exciting.
For once in long time, its not exactly about powering up since enemy has same powers, its about them both working to figure out a way to deal with ginjou.
Machuran said:
There was also no need to turn Rukia into a devil plushie either, all Riruka needed to do was to try and talk to her instead.
They have no plan, even Ichigo admitted it. Ichigo is barely even listening to Uryu and they spent more time arguing with each other than actually trying to find out what to do. Uryu is just stating the obvious and Ichigo is still rushing in like the same old dumbass that he is.
Riruka = tsundere.
They do not talk.
The thing is, Ichigo of HM arc would have rushed ahead without hesitation. Ichigo of FB arc would have also done that. THIS ichigo after getting his ass bitten by his own distrust, for once, tries again to work as TEAM player.
- #32
And maybe this question has been asked before but is Ichigo fighting in his physical body right now... is that the reason why his outfit is so different, did his fullbring make it possible for him to fight without going into "soul-form"?
In any case, really liked this chapter, at least it shows promise.LiarK said:
Dokubachi said:
Boss depiction of Ginjou here.
http://img.mangastream.com/m/2/99409630/9f14b97de00ad33568820cf028a05af6.png
This! Awesome frame.I loved that pic too.
- #33
I like how you phrased this calmly and clearly. It is true that readers tend to forget the time constraint in Ichigo's training. 10 days before entering Soul Society. 3 days to Bankai. 1 week to master hollowfication (if I din remember wrongly). I guess Ichigo must be the type that performs under pressure. xD
That means that it should have been possible for him to learn new techniques in a short amount of time.
icegenie said:
And yes, I must admit that it is difficult to just compare Ichigo with the Shinigami and even Vizards. However, many haters love to give excuses about how lame Bleach based on Getsuga Tenshou versus other Captain's zanpakuto's power. Ichigo is like a 'species' on his own, if may I say... Many fail to look at him as a unique individual without comparing with the other groups.
Actually, it's very comparable, well not to the Bleachtards and their excuses. Ichigo was able to master his powers faster than most of the captains and lieutenants. If he's able to do this, then he should be held to the same or higher standards that everyone else is held.
icegenie said:
Oh yes, Kubo promised an awesome story about Ichigo's birth. Let's all look forward to it! xD
That's what he said about Isshin's story, how many more years will that take or will we have to endure yet another secret group that Ichigo will have to face?