Bleach Chapter 470 Discussion

  • #18
KuroiInazuma said:
Wait he has all of Ichigo's abilities? I sense hollowfication...



That wasn't so bad, a little comedy, a little malice.  And maybe cute Rukia in a doll isn't so bad. Seeing her hado backfire on her was pretty f*cking hilarious. And seeing Ichigo and Ginjou together really reminded me that there was something going on.  Whoops.



It seems Ginjou's playing the part of Ichigo's doppelganger. Not bad.  Though I'm starting to get more interested in what Rukia's saying.  There is the big question still lingering of why they're really do this. What's their damage?



 
  • #19
MM-Rosiie said:
Next one is a dialogue chapter? o.o



And, lol, too cheap to use your own power so you jack Ichigo's... hmm.



Agreed... ginjo, you mean your own powers are weaker than ichigo's? XD



Honestly, I was more interested in the Vizard's back story than those in the Xcution. And of cos, Isshin's back story please!
 
  • #20
grandy_UiD said:
Oh great, next chapter is gonna be sooo interesting...



Ginjou got all of Ichigo's powers, huh? To be honest...I don't have much to say.

^ This.
 
  • #21
If Ginjou can use the hollow mask, I wonder if it'll have the same marks as Ichigo's... And, can he also turn into a Vasto Lorde, or atleast use Ceros like Ichigo in his 'full-hollow with the horns form'?
 
  • #22
The only good thing about this chapter was Rukia self destructing.



In my honest opinion if something takes 10 years just to finally "develop"  or to actually get interesting, I find that pretty pathetic from a writers perspective. I honestly think what we see is the lack of a story board for a cool idea the mangaka had, and so he half assed it. Bleach is the result.



Some of you might disagree with my viewpoint on this, but if someone truly cared, and was putting their all into it, why would they leave blank panels? Why find shortcuts to begin with? You want the world to see your story and your art so you would want to show it off as much as you want.



You -wouldn't- leave loose ends unattended for huge periods of time. There's a thing called subtle hints as well as foreshadowing. They get the reader thinking about the loose ends, you can't just stop there. You have to keep feeding them if you have already started. Kubo really fails on this part. You don't leave loose ends locked up in the closet then just bring them out when their convenient for you.



Just because this is a shounen does -not- mean that it can't be creative or be interesting. Those are just excuses to make up for someones lack of creativity or effort.



There are quite a lot of people with the same ideas in this world or similar thought processes. That doesn't mean one story is ripped off another, they're just similar or the original story heavily influenced the author (In this case mangaka).



Bleach is not as perfect as fans make it out to be. Kubo has a story that contradicts itself in quite a few ways which you would notice if you paid attention.



Although I say this all, I think it's a fun read even though it's not up to par as some other manga which I'm interested in. But I also believe Bleach doesn't deserve it's ranking, there are other stories that are far more interesting.
 
  • #23
More Ginjou vs Ichigo+Ishidaa!! We need hollow ichigo asap.;)
 
  • #24
Machuran said:


icegenie said:
For example,



1. Ichigo suddenly appears in front of Rukia right before she was executed. No mention of whether he mastered Bankai or not. The hint is yes, because he was there but the question was how did he manage to learn it in time? The answer was shown during the fight with Byakuya quite a few chapters later.



That's not even a mystery, obviously he did because he was much faster and stronger than before.  Not to mention he was training in Yoruichi's/Urahara's secret hideout.



icegenie said:
2. Backstory of the Vizards (and a bit of Urahara) was 2 arcs after when they first appeared. That is more than 2 good years in the manga.



Again, this was unnecessary, you could easily connect the dots that it was connected to hollowfication because we've already seen this situation before with Ichigo.  There was absolutely no need to wait this long for something like this.



icegenie said:
3. Again, Ichigo suddenly arrives before Aizen kills Rangiku. No mentioned of what happened between him and Tensa Zangetsu. The hint is that he mastered the Final Getsuga Tenshou but the question is how and why din Tensa Zangetsu want Ichigo to learn that skill. The answer was revealed just before Ichigo used Mugetsu.



That's not a mystery, it's very obvious Ichigo learned Final Getsuga Tenshou for the fight with Aizen to happen.  It's obvious how it happened, Ichigo gets stabbed to get a power up, that's not a mystery.



icegenie said:
Moral of story......



Let's all learn to wait patiently for answers, shall we? (:



Z-flame said:
On a manga that apparently is gonna take 10 more years, patience is the key.



No, the moral of the story is learn how to not nitpick scenes and pretend they're mysteries when they're not.



Patience comes to those who deserve it and Bleach most certainly doesn't.



The examples you gave aren't mysteries, they're fairly obvious because Bleach is fairly predictable except some plot twists during the good old days.  Well, not to people like you or Kubo.



You obviously din get our point. It's a trend of Kubo to explain things later. Not of whether Ichigo managed to achieve his goal, but HOW he did it. I dont think it was THIS obvious that Ichigo would lose his powers before it was even mentioned in the story. And also, maybe you wouldnt mind not reading about The Past arc since it was so obvious to you, but many others would have liked to know what really happened. With that arc, we managed to see how Seireitei was like 100 years ago, the relationship between the now-Vizards and the shinigami, and also the fight scene between Urahara and Aizen. What you mentioned about the predictable, is the structure of the story. Yes we all know that. Kubo will tell his story halfway and continue sometime later. Maybe if you think Bleach is so predictable and obvious, you can tell us the backstory of Isshin and Ichigo's birth right now.



Looking back, I think the delayed explanations were placed strategically. If Kubo had given the answers right at the start, no one will be reading Bleach anymore becos there's nothing to look forward to. Another thing about the delay, its important to prioritize the plot. For now, although everyone wants to know about Isshin's past, the main focus is on Ichigo getting his powers back and the events taking place between him and Ginjo.



Maybe its just you, but there are many of us who picked up Bleach 10 years ago and are willing to wait another 10 more years. I think the Aizen arc was generally satisfying. Many events took place. Many characters introduced. Many questions answered but more questions were asked and yet to be answered. Many of us like Kubo's sense of poetry. There aint many mangakas who are this skilled in writing poems. Most of the twists are unique and witty. Although I must admit that there are some parts that I din like, but this happens becos you cant satisfy everyone. Im sure by now, people who read/watch Bleach know that Bleach is not about getting answers to the questions but the process and development, which is great becos we are able to get a better sense of what the characters are like, their personalities and thats how we start to slowly relate to them.



Haters get sick of watching the same old fight scenes, same old Getsuga Tenshou. Come to think of it, most shonen stories are like that. Naruto used to only have Shadow Clone and Rasengan too. But there are still many Naruto fans out there. Same for Fairy Tail and FMA. Same old powers. But people still support.



I think you are just downplaying Bleach. If all you see are just fight scenes, same old Getsuga Tenshou with no answers, then you can go complain for the next 10 years becos thats the structure of Bleach.
 
  • #25
Wait he has all of Ichigo's abilities? I sense hollowfication...
 
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