Bleach Chapter 461 Discussion

CottonCandyLover said:
AstuteOtaku said:
I no I am really, REALLY going to nark some people here.  But let me just say that Bleach is once again STRONGLY similar to Yu Yu Hakusho.  We start the arc out with humans with powers who are then training Ichigo and then Ichigo is now running into the first Substitute Shinigami (aka Sensui) who was the reason why the Head Captain Yamamoto was suspicious of Ichigo, because he did not want him to turn into Sensui/Ginjou.



The similarities are getting extremely obvious, even the progression of the arcs are almost exactly the same.  Whoever wants to say I am wrong, go watch Yu Yu Hakusho, something that aired during Tite Kubo's growing up years.



Bleach is two inches away from outright plagiarism.except yu yu hakusho is like the second best shonen manga everI approve of this message.

That skeleton garterbelt looks way better on Ginjo than it did on Ichigo >.>

Fai said:




some members of gotei13 do hate ichigo (ex: mayuri),. Its not democracy. they don't need to "agree" with him. his word is the law. however just because majority of Gotei13 supported his decision, does not mean that everyone did(notice that some captains are NOT present in the meeting), nor that it will sit well with everyone else in Soul Society.



Then we still do not know context due to one missing ss flashback of rukia's dialogue.Wait... just because they weren't shown, that doesn't mean they weren't there. It could just be Kubo's intention to wait with the revealing of all the promotions. The sword was standing in front of boss Yamamoto so the transfers of reiatsu could have been done right then and there.



Also, besides Mayuri, I don't think there's a single person in the Gotei 13 who's interested in hurting Ichigo... and Mayuri doesn't like anybody, so there's really nothing special about his hate for Ichigo.



I don't think there'll be an Ichigo vs SS arc coming up, pretty sure we've already seen that, and Gotei-13 has to be the only power in soul society that truly matters. The Royal Guards on the other hand... or that other faction that Ichgo's father was part of... there could be some opposotion there.

LMAO on this thread xD



Ending cliffhanger grabbed my interest~ The only thing I'm currently curious is who are the new captains?

Yey! Some shots of SS were nice to see!



Also, it made me laugh when the reason why Yamato changed his mind about reiatsu transferral could be summed up as:




The Heart

Arashi89 said:
Terrible, terrible and again terrible. This chapter was so filled to the brim with completely white panels, that I thought I was reading again Deicide. Because when you're one of the big 3, you can leave completely white pages and call it "art style".



And again, we discover yet another fuck-up from the SS. I guess artificial souls, the Vizards and Rukia's trial weren't big enough failures, so we'll see another reason why SS is made by dumbasses.



Yea... the only thing we had missing for your typical Bleach chapter was  the foot panels.

bk-201 said:
antonn said:
Reading these threads is more entertaining than the manga.

Ain't that the truth.LOL



lol same here reading threads in places like MAL help me to stay reading this pile of shit called Bleach



anyway its still a good chapter none the less nice art from kubo

Karhu said:
Arashi89 said:
Terrible, terrible and again terrible. This chapter was so filled to the brim with completely white panels, that I thought I was reading again Deicide. Because when you're one of the big 3, you can leave completely white pages and call it "art style".

I'm sure it has some deeper meaning. Let's wait the usual bleach thread trolls to explain.



"Incorrect, Kubo once said he doesn't give a fuck about art style." or "Kubo is genius who is giving us hints what is up to come using those "lines" similar to deicide."



Yeah it's true: those blank panels and Kubo's art style in general are obviously a metaphor for this manga depth of meaning ... flashy but non-existent, as his plot writing skills!

He prefers evoking cool images than deepening any concept, and is rearly capable of going beyond banality.

He just draws characters, weapons, clashes and fights, but nothing wider.



You Bleach fans, sorry but so far Kubo's constantly failed at changing my mind about this. (it's been five years that he fails: since I started reading Bleach!)

amenboy972 said:


Enstein (Mr Fay) please, change your medicines as I said you earlier. Everybody on this forum is taking the piss out of you.



Please stop there amenboy, you start to look like an idiot.

Not because of your theory, not because of my theory, not because Fai's, not because of anything that could and would probably happen in this thread but simply for the following reason:

It is a discussion thread, it is meant for debate



When two people agree on the same thing there isn't a discussion because when someone think the same way as you it is an agreement, not a discussion.

But you seem to try to find a way out of discussion, insulting people that do not think like you on the basis that what you think is superior to them. You do not provide much argument and your ability to think is limited by a form of pseudo logic you conceived yourself.

That is why I think that you do not belong in discussion thread, not because you cannot point good point but simply because you try escape debate and seek agreement without working for it.



As for me I love to theorise and create tl;dr wall of text but I also like to think of myself as someone that help other to think and I am very open for debate.

That is mainly the difference between me and Fai (who I got associated to quite too much to my taste lately).

Fai got much more experience in analyzing things than me. I'm often impressed by some of his deduction and his overall train of thought but if there's something that bother me about him it's that he take his assumption into seemingly undeniable fact. Sometime it's assumption that everyone made and nobody see problem about it because they think that too but once they got a different opinion then there's a problem.

As for me i'm willing to debate on my own assumption over it, of course in some of my theory I base my explanation over assumption I made myself (I couldn't theorise on anything without making an essay otherwhise) but I am more than willing to debate them if you ask so.



Irony/sarcasm like what you do Amenboy is not welcomed in a discussion for the simple reason that it can be interpreted in many different way and we do not know what you really mean in the end thus we cannot try to discuss it.

If you feel anger or any other bad emotion in a discussion then it is because you got involved a bit too much and you should try to talk about it with the person in private.