Hunter x Hunter Chapter 364 Discussion
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So the emperor time shorts Kurapika's life by an hour with every minute goes?
It's an hour for every second that goes by. So around 150 days (5 months) for an hour, and roughly 10 years for a day.
Very strict restriction but it kinda retroactively justifies the strength and versatility of kurapika's ability. And goes to show just how unbreachable is his determination to accomplish his goals (recovering his brethren's eyes + killing the PT).
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Drake1000 said:
Mikasa said:
Drake1000 said:
Mikasa said:
ffs here we go again with people not understanding Nen.
Emperor Time is just a phase Kurapika calls when his eyes are scarlet. He did not create the six-hatsu power. The life-drainage is not a restriction. This is a case of pure genetics. Same as Hatsu. You can't decide which Hatsu you're good at. The eyes seem to have an effect.
So believing that the advantage and disadvantage of the eyes being connected, can be a case of believing that "nature tends to balance itself out" but in no way are they "balanced by nen restrictions"
It's not just a phase Kurapika calls when his eyes turn scarlet, it's an actual Hatsu/Nen ability that Kurapika activates, and Nen abilities are known to have drawbacks.
Scarlet eyes don't necessarily mean Emperor time, first he enters a specialist state then he activates emperor time.
But it's still a Nen ability with a restriction, it's not something natural. Same as any other Nen ability with a drawback.
can be a case of believing that "nature tends to balance itself out" but in no way are they "balanced by nen restrictions"
Yes it is a Nen restriction because Emperor Time is a Nen ability. It's not nature m8.
The fact that people keep saying "every ability MUST have its drawback" shows they're really thinking like FMA rather than HxH. No. Restrictions are not a must. It simply says that, if you want to give your ability an incredible boost that you would otherwise not be able to (due to lack of talent and/or time to train properly) you can use restrictions instead.
Now, SE not being ET is true in the sense that just because Kurapika is pissed, doesn't mean he has to use his specialist powers.
But, when his eyes are red, he automatically becomes a specialist. What kind of Hatsu you have is genetic. You cannot change it. He is a conjurer through no choice of his own (except inadvertently due to personality), his becoming a specialist is the same.
Now, his specialist ability happens to be boosts in all hatsu areas. All genetics so far.
But his exploitation of this, and creation of the other chains, that's all him.
Now technically since he can now change his eyes at will, ET HAS become somewhat of a mode, but it still remains a genetic trait and not a condition. His age-draining is simply a side-effect of the eyes, not something he's chosen.
Why not? Because Nen doesn't work like that. You don't "negotiate" 1 second against 1 hour, you just set up a constraint and see if it works. Proof? The first condition Kura proposes to Izu was "I cannot fight anyone beside the spiders", which Izu thought was a weak constraint that would not boost the chain "enough"... as in, you just keep making it harder and stricter and see how far it takes you (a chain around his hard took it far enough), but you don't just "talk" to Nen in another dimension and trade body parts like Ed in FMA.
First off yes not every ability has to have a drawback, it's just something the user imposes on themselves to make their abilities stronger.
Now, his specialist ability happens to be boosts in all hatsu areas. All genetics so far.
There's no genetics about that, Nen abilities are Nen, Emperor Time is a Nen ability.
The only genetics is him becoming a specialist when his eyes turn scarlet.
His age-draining is simply a side-effect of the eyes, not something he's chosen.
It's not a side effect of the eyes, it's a side effect of Emperor time, which is a Nen ability. This is the exact panel
It didn't say My "scarlet eyes make it so that every second etc" it says Emperor time
keywords here are "RULE" "ACTIVATED", these are Nen related terminologies, not biology or genetics. I'm making a distinction between Scarlet Eyes and Emperor Time, because Emperor Time is his specialist Nen ability and the panel I posted in my previous post says so.
You don't "negotiate" 1 second against 1 hour, you just set up a constraint and see if it works. you don't just "talk" to Nen in another dimension and trade body parts like Ed in FMA.
That's exactly how it works, you do negociate a contract with Nen, remember "O my rubber Nen" a few chapters ago? The 100% mastery is what he gets for 1 second against 1 hour of lifetime, it's the condition. Same with the Gon thing where he gave up his potential for great power.
Emperor time is him turning into a specialist, and subsequently having access to more conjured abilities. But yeah, ET (as in the red eyes) in itself is genetic.
Read the chaper itself....what was it that was draining his life? His state of being in red eyes or using the Dolphin-Steal? It's him being in red-eye mode. Not him using whatever chain.
Again, saying the word "rule" doesn't mean "nen restriction", especially not in unofficial scans.
By the way, it says there.... "ITS USER'S LIFE" not "my life", as in, any member of the Kurta clan can go into "emperor mode"... ( whether it has the same effect, we don't know)
your claim of Hisoka contradicts with mine about Izu, so either it's a plot hole, or Hisoka being sassy and 'talking to his nen' doesn't really hold any weight.
How do you "talk with nen" exactly.. do you have any actual proof of it being somewhere onscreen? Nen restrictions is a progressive feature. You add more hurdles as counterweight, you enable more power to come your way. You're taking the Nen-conditions too literally as if it were a character.
Emperor time is him turning into a specialist, and subsequently having access to more conjured abilities. But yeah, ET (as in the red eyes) in itself is genetic.
That's where I disagree, Emperor Time is not him turning into a specialist, it's the ability of gaining Max Efficiency in every category.
Emperor Time is the ability he uses when he's a specialist
His red eyes is what causes him to become a specialist. That's where you claim for genetics comes.
Scarlet Eyes -> Specialist
Specialist -> Emperor Time (ability)
Read the chaper itself....what was it that was draining his life? His state of being in red eyes or using the Dolphin-Steal? It's him being in red-eye mode. Not him using whatever chain.
Regarding the steal chain
Without Emperor time = the ability to suck aura and steal an ability
With Emperor Time = the Dolphin manifests and allows him to equip the stolen ability
Again, saying the word "rule" doesn't mean "nen restriction", especially not in unofficial scans.
Saying RULE and ACTIVATED doesn't mean genetics either, Emperor Time is a Nen ability.
your claim of Hisoka contradicts with mine about Izu, so either it's a plot hole, or Hisoka being sassy and 'talking to his nen' doesn't really hold any weight.
It doesn't contradict anything,
Your claim is that Izunavi told Kurapika his condition wasn't good enough for what he wanted to get
The first condition Kura proposes to Izu was "I cannot fight anyone beside the spiders", which Izu thought was a weak constraint that would not boost the chain "enough"
My claim is simply that Emperor Time also has a Nen condition to where
100% Mastery of every category at the exchange of 1 second = 1 hour of lifetime
"talk with nen"
We don't know the exact process of how Nen conditions get set up, we just know that you set a condition on yourself to gain something.
