Hunter x Hunter Chapter 364 Discussion

lequack said:
Mikasa said:
Docking years off your life as an old senile person... that's hardly a drawback.







Not really. I mean look at Netero he was ancient but he was far from senile.



seconds_to_dere said:
Mikasa said:
seconds_to_dere said:
Mikasa said:
Docking years off your life as an old senile person... that's hardly a drawback.







Heard of Chairman Netero? He's an old "senile" person...



Nen users slow down their aging



Still not a huge drawback. Especially with the DC fruit that gives you life.





Togashi is slipping there...



Dude, check Netero's age in the wiki pretty sure he's over a 100



I just checked it, he's 120+ LOL

Mikasa said:
Drake1000 said:
Mikasa said:
@Drake1000





Dude, I'm not talking about the Dolphin ability, that is definitely Nen, and yes, THAT ability can have a condition, which is for the emperor time to stay enabled, as in, for the scarlet eyes to stay scarlet, it cam force the eyes to stay that way... sure. But that has nothing to do with the scarlet eyes/ET being genetic.



GON forced himself to freaking grow... through Nen, that doesn't mean that his muscles or growth hormones were actually Nen concepts...just because they were controlled by it.



Actually we do, it was done in Yorknew. Concept of graduality and progression.



But that has nothing to do with the scarlet eyes/ET being genetic.



Well that was your point that Emperor Time wasn't Nen and that is was genetics only.



GON forced himself to freaking grow... through Nen, that doesn't mean that his muscles or growth hormones were actually Nen concepts...just because they were controlled by it.



What? Gon made a Nen contract to where he gave his potential in exchange of aging and gaining power. It's obviously the product of Nen, he couldn't do that without it.





Actually we do, it was done in Yorknew. Concept of graduality and progression.



"Being a product of the mind, Nen responds to the goals, strengths, and desires of individual users. As a result, a student of Nen can increase the overall power of an individual skill by stating a self-imposed restriction that forces even more conditions on it."



"These conditions are called "Limitations" (制約, Seiyaku), and the act of swearing to respect them "Vow" (誓約, Seiyaku) or "Contract". The stricter the Limitation, the more one's ability is strengthened"- Wiki



This is what we know.



ET is a genetic ability that allows him more power, more nen, and more hatsu types. That's what I was saying. ET itself is not Nen but it gives you beter access to Nen. Your HDMI capble is not an HD screen but it connects you to one. Whether you do have an HD screen is up to you, but what HDMI inherently do is connect you to one, they don't care wether you buy one or not. ET is like that cable. It's not a nen power in itself.



Yes, Gon's contract was Nen. BUT... were his muscles made of Nen? His liver? Stomach maybe?  Like was Gon just some emission nen clone? Was he all nen? The Nen simply forced his muscles to grow, the muscles themselves were not Nen.



As such, the Dolphin Nen simply affected his eyes, this proves in no way that his eyes were a nen product.



""These conditions are called "Limitations" (制約, Seiyaku), and the act of swearing to respect them "Vow" (誓約, Seiyaku) or "Contract". The stricter the Limitation, the more one's ability is strengthened"- Wiki"



You just proved my point, it works on a progressive basis, the more restrictive it is, the more boost you get, there is no direct personal contact like "Hello Mr.Nen, give me power please", the Nen is basically part of the soul, the more resolve and focus and restriction you put on yourself, the closer you are to achieving a goal. Nen is not some third-person character.





ET is a genetic ability that allows him more power, more nen, and more hatsu types. That's what I was saying. ET itself is not Nen but it gives you beter access to Nen.



Kurapika says otherwise, Emperor Time is a Nen ability that is accessed under his specialist state (scarlet eyes)



Him becoming a Specialist when his eyes turn scarlet is what's genetic, not Emperor Time



Feel free to disagree with Kurapika.



Yes, Gon's contract was Nen. BUT... were his muscles made of Nen? His liver? Stomach maybe? Like was Gon just some emission nen clone? Was he all nen? The Nen simply forced his muscles to grow, the muscles themselves were not Nen.



I mean yes okay? I have no idea why you bring this up. It's really simple. His Nen contract made him age and gain power at the price of his potential, that's all there's to it.



As such, the Dolphin Nen simply affected his eyes, this proves in no way that his eyes were a nen product.



Except that's not what I'm using to prove that Emperor Time is a Nen ability, I'm using Kurapika's own words.



Emperor Time is a Nen ability required for the Dolphin to maintain it's presence, he didn't say your eyes must remain scarlet. his eyes remaining scarlet is the result of Emperor Time's effect remaining.



You just proved my point, it works on a progressive basis, the more restrictive it is, the more boost you get, there is no direct personal contact like "Hello Mr.Nen, give me power please", the Nen is basically part of the soul, the more resolve and focus and restriction you put on yourself, the closer you are to achieving a goal. Nen is not some third-person character.



It's a contract of give and take. It's obvious that the more restrictive it is the more powerful what you get is, I never disagreed with that.

Nen that reduce your lifespan? damn. I guess Kurapika will die young.

Mikasa said:
Drake1000 said:
Mikasa said:
ffs here we go again with people not understanding Nen.



Emperor Time is just a phase Kurapika calls when his eyes are scarlet. He did not create the six-hatsu power. The life-drainage is not a restriction. This is a case of pure genetics. Same as Hatsu. You can't decide which Hatsu you're good at. The eyes seem to have an effect.



So believing that the advantage and disadvantage of the eyes being connected, can be a case of believing that "nature tends to balance itself out" but in no way are they "balanced by nen restrictions"



It's not just a phase Kurapika calls when his eyes turn scarlet, it's an actual Hatsu/Nen ability that Kurapika activates, and Nen abilities are known to have drawbacks.

Scarlet eyes don't necessarily mean Emperor time, first he enters a specialist state then he activates emperor time.

But it's still a Nen ability with a restriction, it's not something natural. Same as any other Nen ability with a drawback.

can be a case of believing that "nature tends to balance itself out" but in no way are they "balanced by nen restrictions"

Yes it is a Nen restriction because Emperor Time is a Nen ability. It's not nature m8.











The fact that people keep saying "every ability MUST have its drawback" shows they're really thinking like FMA rather than HxH. No. Restrictions are not a must. It simply says that, if you want to give your ability an incredible boost that you would otherwise not be able to (due to lack of talent and/or time to train properly) you can use restrictions instead.





Now, SE not being ET is true in the sense that just because Kurapika is pissed, doesn't mean he has to use his specialist powers.



But, when his eyes are red, he automatically becomes a specialist. What kind of Hatsu you have is genetic. You cannot change it. He is a conjurer through no choice of his own (except inadvertently due to personality), his becoming a specialist is the same.



Now, his specialist ability happens to be  boosts in all hatsu areas. All genetics so far.



But his exploitation of this, and creation of the other chains, that's all him.

Now technically since he can now change his eyes at will, ET HAS become somewhat of a mode, but it still remains a genetic trait and not a condition. His age-draining is simply a side-effect of the eyes, not something he's chosen.



Why not? Because Nen doesn't work like that. You don't "negotiate" 1 second against 1 hour, you just set up a constraint and see if it works. Proof? The first condition Kura proposes to Izu was "I cannot fight anyone beside the spiders", which Izu thought was a weak constraint that would not boost the chain "enough"... as in, you just keep making it harder and stricter and see how far it takes you (a chain around his hard took it far enough), but you don't just "talk" to  Nen in another dimension and trade body parts like Ed in FMA.



First off yes not every ability has to have a drawback, it's just something the user imposes on themselves to make their abilities stronger.



Now, his specialist ability happens to be boosts in all hatsu areas. All genetics so far.



There's no genetics about that, Nen abilities are Nen, Emperor Time is a Nen ability.

The only genetics is him becoming a specialist when his eyes turn scarlet.



His age-draining is simply a side-effect of the eyes, not something he's chosen.



It's not a side effect of the eyes, it's a side effect of Emperor time, which is a Nen ability. This is the exact panel





It didn't say My "scarlet eyes make it so that every second etc" it says Emperor time

keywords here are "RULE" "ACTIVATED", these are Nen related terminologies, not biology or genetics. I'm making a distinction between Scarlet Eyes and Emperor Time, because Emperor Time is his specialist Nen ability and the panel I posted in my previous post says so.



You don't "negotiate" 1 second against 1 hour, you just set up a constraint and see if it works. you don't just "talk" to Nen in another dimension and trade body parts like Ed in FMA.



That's exactly how it works, you do negociate a contract with Nen, remember "O my rubber Nen" a few chapters ago? The 100% mastery is what he gets for 1 second against 1 hour of lifetime, it's the condition. Same with the Gon thing where he gave up his potential for great power.

So the emperor time shorts Kurapika's life by an hour with every minute goes? Or it shorts the life of the person that it's being used on?

And what did he give Woble this ability for? Like couldn't he use it by himself?